RE: Hell
October 4, 2009 at 2:18 pm
(This post was last modified: October 4, 2009 at 2:29 pm by solarwave.)
Arcanus: Good of you to spot that lol.
The whole point of Jesus' life, death and resurrection was to rehabilitate those who sin and save them from hell and their sinful nature. Choosing to follow Jesus forgives your sin and starts the (normally) slow process of being morel like Christ.
Well I dunno exactly how hell will work, from what Arcanus said he thinks it is more of an event than a place. I think we will still be conscious and heaven probably be able to move, see, etc.
In Christian thought you don't make it to heaven by being a good person only through Jesus Christ. So an evil person can ask for forgiveness and go to heaven. I dont think a good life saves you because no matter how good you are it doesn't remove the fact that you have sinned. This doesn't mean Christians can sin and still go to heaven because if you are trully saved the result should be trying to be a better person.
And apparently you do go your own way. If you don't want God then you will get your own way for eternity.
(October 4, 2009 at 1:44 am)Retorth Wrote: Can you show me where it states that he believes in rehabilitation? I've only seen him condemning.
The whole point of Jesus' life, death and resurrection was to rehabilitate those who sin and save them from hell and their sinful nature. Choosing to follow Jesus forgives your sin and starts the (normally) slow process of being morel like Christ.
Quote:When you say "if we die unforgiven we have to go somewhere else", are you saying that when we die we are still conscious? That we can move about, see, feel, smell and touch?
So long as we do not accept god, we are sent to hell, irregardless of how good a life we've led when we were alive?
Well I dunno exactly how hell will work, from what Arcanus said he thinks it is more of an event than a place. I think we will still be conscious and heaven probably be able to move, see, etc.
In Christian thought you don't make it to heaven by being a good person only through Jesus Christ. So an evil person can ask for forgiveness and go to heaven. I dont think a good life saves you because no matter how good you are it doesn't remove the fact that you have sinned. This doesn't mean Christians can sin and still go to heaven because if you are trully saved the result should be trying to be a better person.
Quote:If we do not believe in the whole concept of the religion and the self-sacrifice, then all this doesn't apply in the first place. Furthermore, he gave us free will did he not? So we supposedly have the ability to go our own way, yet we are condemned still.
And apparently you do go your own way. If you don't want God then you will get your own way for eternity.
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