RE: Must all be proven?
October 6, 2009 at 5:52 pm
(This post was last modified: October 6, 2009 at 5:56 pm by theVOID.)
(October 6, 2009 at 5:04 pm)zoso Wrote: In our western world today we choose atheism as the logical path to live and believe
Sorry, what western world are you talking about? I'm not aware of any where the general choice of beliefs is atheism.
Quote:Atheism is based on science lack of believe in relgion and evoluten.
Atheism is a rejection of the idea that God exists, to be defined as an atheist it is not required that you believe evolution or any science, just that you reject the idea that God exists.
Quote:My question isnt defining what an athiest believe (so please dont reply with arguments directing towards the belief of atheism) but my question is must all be proven.
No, everything does not have to be proven, but when you are making statements regarding the nature of something doing so without having proof for your claim is rather stupid.
Quote:Do we need evidence to believe in something.
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"
Quote:For proving the super natural no longer makes it super natural.
(1) Not true, you could test the effectiveness of psychics or the presence of ghosts without rendering the cause part of the natural world (2) what makes you think there is such thing as the super natural to begin with?
Quote:Have any of you walked on the moon? No? Then how do you know you can do that.
We know we can walk on the moon for various reasons (1) it's a solid object (2) it has gravity suitable for walking (3) people have walked on the moon.
Quote:And my question for evolution is...
If evolution is the foundation for lifes existance can anyone give me an example or show me how any species has naturally developed new information on its DNA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppered_moth_evolution
Quote:If evolution is true why is there no ape/man in existance today.
We are apes, but i assume you were talking about an example of evolution from the time our lineage diverged from the ancestor we shared with chimps, in which case there are none around today because they are extinct, just like 99% of all species that ever lived. There are still hundreds of pre-human fossils showing in great detail the gradual change from our tree-dwelling ancestor to modern man.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution
Quote:We see neat patterns and believe thats what happened but does it always work like that?
we don't have neat patterns, we have millions of pieces of evidence across multiple fields of science, from genetic evidence to fossils to embryology and many more.
Quote:evolution holds no great proof. Its still a theory as religion is.
Evolution is a fact with an overwhelming amount of evidence supporting it, the fact that you used the world theory in the context of English conversation rather than scientific terminology shows how limited your understanding of science is.
Quote:If evolution was proven there would no longer be religion
Hundreds of millions of people around the world who are religious believe in Evolution, it is not incompatible with Religion, only creationism.
(October 6, 2009 at 5:45 pm)zoso Wrote:(October 6, 2009 at 5:38 pm)Saerules Wrote: When you see the red and green squiggles, please right click on themAnyway, on to the topic:
Let us say that I have a disease in my foot... and I am awaiting amputation of said foot. The doctor's assistant brings me into the operating room. When I open the door, the doctor greets me with a chainsaw in hand. I require evidence that it works before I am letting him saw my foot off (It doesn't work btw...).
So yes, we do require a justification before we believe anything. A justification could be anything from "Why would you lie to me?" to "Because I want to." The justification I would need for a doctor to saw off my foot with a chainsaw... is hard scientific evidence. I want to know how it works, what he is doing, why it is safe, and some scientific facts regarding the use of chainsaws in operations. That is why we need evidence to believe in gods: because we would essentially be sawing our feet off with crude and barbaric devices... with no sound justifications to back it.
Evolution I leave to anotherYou look like good exercise material
but if we had proof of god we would worship out of fear of him not of good.
scientific evidence is liable in religion. Afterall God is the greatest of scientists
in science we can always discover how it works, but not why it does
and that is something no one will ever know
Your lack of understanding of science is quite funny, you should consider actually getting a real understanding of it before you start arguing against it.
You believe God exists, so are you saying that you only believe in him for good reasons because he hasn't been proven to exist? And if he was proven to exist you would worship him only out of fear??? What does the proof of his existence have to do with the reason why you worship him?
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