RE: Give all your money to the poor, and follow me.
December 6, 2012 at 12:46 pm
(This post was last modified: December 6, 2012 at 12:47 pm by Drich.)
(December 5, 2012 at 11:38 pm)Cinjin Wrote: awwwe yes ... I've heard this one SOOO many times, and it's such a GIANT load of goddamn bull shit.So let start by looking at the word "possession" in the english it means something owned occupied or controled. which could literally mean anything and everything one owns. (which is what you seem to understand this word to mean.)
For several reasons:
1. The christards that make this claim NEVER give ALL their possessions away ... not even close. It's an outright lie.
Now lets look at the koine Greek understanding of the word in a biblical context. the word is:
κτῆμα/ktēma
It direct meaning is the same as the english meaning, but in the biblical context Strong's/thayer's tell us it refers to:
a) of property, lands, estates
So in the biblical context to sell ALL of one's possessions means to sell ones, property, lands, estates. Which Makes one dependant on God for their day to day living. Just like a slave or servant would be.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexi...2933&t=KJV
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/possession
Quote:2. These liars like Drich, know that there's no way for anyone to validate this claim of sacrificing all worldly possessions. (especially online)We all speak from a given POV, and someone else viewing the same event may have another take on what you experience. Aside from a possiable descrepency their, I have been nothing but open and honest with all aspects of my life. (For example I said My wife had a 250 dollar aday Herione habbit. I like averages so i gave the average. she will say she used what ever she had money to buy, and that would range from 150 to 300 dollars aday. In the end neither are wrong because it took a look at the money spent divided by the number of days, and she gave a day to day.)
I say all of that to say, that everything here even if it has my take on it, is truth. If i tell you something like I gave away all of my possessions then know by the strictest biblical standard I did what I said I did. Now, does that mean I did what you think I did? No, not by a long shot.
All i can do is tell you that we still live the same small place that i first moved out of my parents home. (>1000sq ft), and have forgone buying a home (even though we could have many different times) why? Because we took the money and gave it back/Reinvested it like with the story of the Talents.
Quote:3. "Give give give ... god will give it back." is nothing more than filthy propaganda to make the stupid poorer and the rich richer.I Agree.
Quote:4. My devout christard father gave every spare dime he had and still does. NEVER has he received 100x back or even 2x back for that matter. Lies.If you want I can put together a message that biblcally spells out our obligations for him/you, or sign him up to this web site, or give him my email address if he wants to have a private discussion.
(I'll do this durning my break if need be.)
Quote:5. Do you live in a house?no
Quote: Do you own a car?Several
Quote: Do you own a TV or radio?I've have an awesome TV!
Quote:Do you ever go out to eat for dinner? Own a computer? A fishing pole?yuup on all three.
Quote:Fucking liars. Every god damn one of 'em is full of excuses and steaming piles of bull shit.-or-
some of us took the time to understand what was being asked of us, and then provide it, rather than take a prosperity preacher at his word.
Quote:What kind of limped-dick god uses empty promises to tax his own people because he can't seem to build a church himself or buy his preachers new cars? answer: a phoney one.Or maybe it is a phoney preacher that tells you this. Your identification of general phoneyness is correct, I think you just put it on God, when God has not asked for any of what has been asked by your preacher.
Quote: I know I know ... "god's just testing us," and I'm "too blinded to see it," and "we can't pretend to know the will of god," and "god won't reveal himself to me because I'm not seeking hard enough." Blah blah blah blah ... you're all sheep.Ironically you are correct. In that God is testing you. It's just not in the way you think. What I see god doing is testing or even forcing spiritual growth. In that are you willing to give up your current toxic form of worship, for what the bible identifies as genuine Fellowship? Or will you stay and try and buy your way to heaven because some preacher said so, and you haven't taken a serious look at what God is asking of you?
Quote:By the way -It's funny that you said that. i have a theory I am putting together and maybe will put a thread together after the first of the Year on it.
Do you know why your god isn't coming back?
In the meanwhile, we will see what happens one way or another.

