(December 13, 2012 at 4:19 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: No, not at all. Might is just might. Weak is just weak. Rightness or wrongness is not connected to the amount of power of an individual.
But apparently the imposition of morality on the society is.
(December 13, 2012 at 4:19 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: A despot ruler is "right" to murder his subjects but his subjects who hate his rule are also "right" to try to overthrow the despot.
But only one of them gets to do the "right" thing.
(December 13, 2012 at 4:19 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: Perhaps some people like living as a bum? You're conflating common ideas of better or worse with real better and worse. The two are not the same.
You are defeating your own argument here. You assume that there is a "real" better and worse and accuse me of misidentifying it, while ignoring the very real possibility that very likely the common ideas about better and worse correspond to real better and worse and those who like living as bums are simply deluding themselves.
(December 13, 2012 at 4:19 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: If I don't eat, I starve. But who's to say that's worse? It's worse for me because like to live and I like to eat, and I don't like pain and suffering. But if I were some suicidal masochist, that might be a fun time.
So what is good for you is not good fro you? Pain is pleasure? Misery is happiness? That sort of self-contradiction is the clearest sign that the values you have chosen are irrational, illogical and therefore immoral.
(December 13, 2012 at 4:19 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: True. But the values I end up with are not identical to anyone else's. My core values are rather normal but you can easily find people throughout history with apparently sadistic and selfish values.
The wrong values chosen by them is not evidence that there are no right values.
(December 13, 2012 at 4:19 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: Well this just came out of nowhere. Looks like we're back at square one.
Let's just set up an example: I have enormously powerful nuke that could destroy the world killing everyone. Why would it be wrong for me to use it?
Because you'd end up destroying yourself.
(December 13, 2012 at 4:19 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: Give me some examples of these principles.
http://atheistforums.org/thread-12271-po...#pid271447
(December 13, 2012 at 4:19 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: This is just an assertion. It's not clear to me how nuclear annihilation is any more "wrong" than mixing plaid and stripes.
Mixing plaid and stripes hardly has any effect on the quality of your life. Nuclear annihilation would have a huge negative one.
