Liers and fires and guns oh my.

[Brian37]

You can claim all they want that the manufactures do not have the intent of selling to people who can't have them.

I think you misunderstand me; I'm not defending the manufacturers. I'm pointing out that America's illegal guns start out as legal guns, save for those which are smuggled in. The reason it's easy to obtain illegal guns is because the number of legal guns means there are plenty to steal, or purchase off the books. Illegal guns do not have some separate, mystical unknown source of origin.

I think you misunderstand me; I'm not defending the manufacturers. I'm pointing out that America's illegal guns start out as legal guns,

So we are not on different pages. This is my point. This is no different to me than the guy who owns the mom an pop breakfast place I work at. He thinks he is more like McDonald's and Denny's not understanding that THEY, not him, set the "race to the bottom" climate that he tags along with because of the title "business owner".

Guns, from the manufacturing standpoint, DO, start out legal, but the further down you go the culpability from the top means far less because, just like when you drive a car off the lot, it is yours, even if the manufacturer knows the car has defective breaks, "I didn't tell you to buy it".

Yes, you are absolutely right. Guns used in illegal crimes are always legally made and most of the time legally purchased. But no one wants to place blame on the manufacturers.