Well I'll be honest once you reach old age you shouldn't be driving at all. Lots of places have private busing systems [shuttles] for the elderly. That should be more widespread, if you ask me but...that's a different issue. We may not send the tow truck for the hot-rod...but grandpa PROBABLY knows his limits anyway. Probably. Hopefully. Guns, on the other hand...certain firearms could be registered as antiques, I figure. But honestly, if you really wish to possess a firearm, taking 30 minutes out of your day once a year to recertify is NOT that big of a problem. And if they're just sitting in your garage and you aren't using them, well, then they secure them. And whenever you want them back, you go ahead and recertify. And if you CAN'T recertify, then you can still sell them to a licensed dealer or procurer. We can't go ahead fooling ourselves that guns aren't dangerous things, and if we're going to actually mitigate the problem, we have to accept the responsibilities that firearm ownership demands, and if we someone can't be assed to spend a half hour recertifying...well, then you don't really accept the burden of responsibility. If it's really a problem of "I want it but I'm too old to have it" then have grandpa give the guns to, say, his grandchildren if they're licensed and interested. Stays in familial possession, it's a sort of keepsake being passed down and, really, is 80 year old grandpa gonna really need to keep them anymore, anyway? The value of having it still exists if it's being passed down, after all...perhaps all the more for becoming a sort of family heirloom.
And pinching the pipe...do you mean, like...the price of guns? Cuz I dunno if you've noticed or not but they're not exactly cheap as it is. Someone buying a gun for genuine reasons of self-defense, where they have a legitimate reason [not a middle-class suburban soccer mom "GOTTA PROTECT THE KIDS!!" mentality, but a ghetto-ass "I walk down the street without this there's a 50/50 chance I die" mentality], is already going to be a bit hard-pressed to possess a gun...and given that the inner-cities are where the most gun-related deaths take place, and also where illegal gun ownership is at its prime, well...that might be throwing fuel on the fire rather than extinguishing it.
Brian: ...Appeals to emotion? The most common ploy the religious use against atheists, and you're bringing it to bear? I thought you were an anti-theist, not a "stoop-to-the-theist-levelist." So, since you aren't exactly making any real points and seem to just be arguing for the sake of arguing without actually having a reason to it, I am just going to flatly ask you: What is your point, and what is your stance?
And pinching the pipe...do you mean, like...the price of guns? Cuz I dunno if you've noticed or not but they're not exactly cheap as it is. Someone buying a gun for genuine reasons of self-defense, where they have a legitimate reason [not a middle-class suburban soccer mom "GOTTA PROTECT THE KIDS!!" mentality, but a ghetto-ass "I walk down the street without this there's a 50/50 chance I die" mentality], is already going to be a bit hard-pressed to possess a gun...and given that the inner-cities are where the most gun-related deaths take place, and also where illegal gun ownership is at its prime, well...that might be throwing fuel on the fire rather than extinguishing it.
Brian: ...Appeals to emotion? The most common ploy the religious use against atheists, and you're bringing it to bear? I thought you were an anti-theist, not a "stoop-to-the-theist-levelist." So, since you aren't exactly making any real points and seem to just be arguing for the sake of arguing without actually having a reason to it, I am just going to flatly ask you: What is your point, and what is your stance?
