RE: Athiesm is a Faith?
December 31, 2012 at 12:02 pm
(This post was last modified: December 31, 2012 at 12:06 pm by Mark 13:13.)
To answer a few people above who ask about the debate about words let me quote wiki "Depending on the religion, faith is belief in a god or gods or in the doctrines or teachings of the religion. Informal usage of faith can be quite broad, including trust or belief without proof,[1] and "faith" is often used as a substitute for "hope", "trust" or "belief"." I am using the later " belief without proof " for Faith and would contend that both Athiests and Theists if they are honest with themselves will accept that when pushed back to the metaphorical which came first the egg or the chicken will accept that we have no proof beyond the reality we can experience. We both have to accept a contradiction to logic, that being either something always existed or was created from nothing (and i mean nothing as in no fields no energy, real nothing) We theist say God is that something that created the Cosmos and that you can search the Cosmos forever for God but you wont find him there as although we are part of that Cosmos and God is not so therefore we have no absolute proof therefore we believe in our position with faith. Likewise thinking some athiests (in my opinion) would contend that the Cosmos does not need a creator to exist which again is a statement that can never be proved as each time we push back creation we find a new mystery that needs explaining but they have faith that science will finally push back the boundary to a final answer. Other athiest would argue like Einstein in a non personal God alien to the general monotheist God again with no undisputable proof. Of course there is a group of athiest whose only contribition to this is we don't give a sh*t and I would ask them to leave the discussion to those who do give a sh*t because they are just as boring as those who believe in a religion without ever questioning and exploring. As far as those who would like to play with words such as there is a difference between belief and non belief and faith and non faith , are not these 2 statements to follow not saying the same things .. 1) I do not believe you are right ... 2) I believe you are wrong . Its just a subtle way of trying to get out of the honesty of when we try to start at the very begining of the Cosmos be we Athiest or Theist we start with the same uncertainity and make a decision on what we believe without the comfort of absolute proof. Now I will stop for a breather lol.
MMH well have you read his reason out responses yet to what I wrote? What other conclusion could I reach on what He had said so far? and BTW a little less of the little
(December 31, 2012 at 10:46 am)Napoléon Wrote:(December 31, 2012 at 10:45 am)Mark 13:13 Wrote: As someone new to the forum and your posts, the display you give so far falls well short of this.
You are a condescending, presumptuous little cock aren't you?
MMH well have you read his reason out responses yet to what I wrote? What other conclusion could I reach on what He had said so far? and BTW a little less of the little
