RE: Athiesm is a Faith?
December 31, 2012 at 7:25 pm
(This post was last modified: December 31, 2012 at 7:48 pm by Mark 13:13.)
(December 31, 2012 at 6:24 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:I agree and that was my point; and as such i can't see it changing while there still exists Theists and Athiests unless a new dynamic a third seat appear(December 30, 2012 at 9:03 pm)Mark 13:13 Wrote: Gosh. So little credit for all those people of many faiths who have taken science so far. Its feels like the spoilt grandchild who despises their elders but is happy to live of the sweat of their brows and they wealth thats passed on to them. There wouldn't be enough room in this forum pages for all the Theistic scientists and thinkers who built this society to what it is now. I think if Neil would agree.
It's not the religous belief that's the problem. It's proposing God as an explanation for the unknown. For starters, saying 'God did it' doesn't really explain anything.
I agree
Tyson certainly wasn't suggesting that theists can't be good scientists. He was just talking about the 'god of the gaps' mentality.
I agree
If you think we have a ridiculous position, your next thought should be that maybe you're not understanding us.
I dont agree that your position is ridiculous I just say its different from mine but mine is not rediculous either, my point was to another poster who tried to used Tysons well reasoned out point to try and apply it to all Thiests
(December 31, 2012 at 3:12 am)Mark 13:13 Wrote: Wisdom 2:1-24
Everything after verse 9 is a baseless insult, so I gues the conversation hasn't changed in thousands of years.
(December 31, 2012 at 6:39 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote:(December 31, 2012 at 5:24 pm)Mark 13:13 Wrote: 1) I continue to refuse the premise that I carry the burden of proof just because i express a belief and repeating the point wont change this. If however I make the claim that I am correct and can prove it or you are wrong and I can prove it then I would accept said burden but I challenge you to show where I made any statements like the two I have just written.
Do you claim that your god exists?
I claim to believe my God exists now tell me whats false in my claim
*magic*
Burden of proof.
(December 31, 2012 at 6:36 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:(December 31, 2012 at 4:41 am)Mark 13:13 Wrote: Rolf prove he doesn't and I will nananananah
That's the heart of the poverty of the theist position. You can't prove an imaginary being that has been defined as unfalsifiable doesn't exist. From that fact, you can't get to 'therefore, God exists' anymore than you can get to 'therefore, leprechauns exist'. And it is still your VERY best argument.
I was just replying in kind to another poster with the level of debate he was offering me and as you can see from the add on I agree its not the best of methods to have a discussion, so I agree with you apart from the point about it being our best arguement, but given the reluctance to accept anything left brained or subjective you do limit the less able to bring the depth of the Theist position to the discussion when at heart most of what we have is subjective but very real to us
