(January 4, 2013 at 8:58 am)whateverist Wrote:(January 4, 2013 at 8:44 am)Brian37 Wrote: It does not take "faith" to reject claims of Santa. It does not take faith to reject invisible pink unicorns. It does not take faith to reject claims of little boys flying around on brooms. It does not take faith to reject Allah or Vishnu as claims.
Well, maybe it takes a little faith .. that the world is a bit predictable .. that what was true yesterday will still be true today. We can't really prove that the world isn't wildly chaotic. All we can do is demonstrate that, yet again, that faith seems to have been justified when we opened our eyes in the morning.
We really are not and cannot operate as 100% rational, conscious beings at all times. Some assumptions are required. I suppose Mark has faith that when he wakes up in the morning there will still be no knockdown proof that his deity does not exist. I have faith that my operational assumption will still be a good one, that no heed need be paid to these 'gods' so many people will be nattering on about.
Every morning my vehical is parked in front of my house when I am at home. I do not see it while I am asleep. Every day when I get up, it is there.
Now, technically, highly unlikely, but techically, it could get stolen(hard because newer modles have computer keys and jacking the sterering colom is not as easy as it used to be for car theives. But techincally, I't might get stolen.
But, I still do not have "faith" when I say it will be there. I have a reasonable expectiation considering it is in a safe neighborhood, and my dog would bark if someone came near my house. Plus it is in the front right in front of my bedroom window.
If I had "faith" that it would be there, and not natural reasonable expectiaton, if I woke up and it was not there, I would simply pray for it to come back and not call the police.
Saying there are no absolutes in life or nature should not constitue letting our brains fall out and forgetting probibility issues.
When the theist argues "faith" they are investing in gaps. When the atheists says "Semantics don't constitute truth, probibilities do". So when I get up in the moring with all the factors of the type of car and neighborhood, I'd be a fool to waist my time standing guard protecting it considering the observable data of it, and the neighborhood I live in.
I do not have to have "faith" that my car will be there in the morning. The data of 5 years of living there without it being stolen is pretty good data. So when they say we have "faith" too. It is merely prior data and probability issues, that is not faith.