(December 31, 2012 at 6:02 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:(December 31, 2012 at 4:24 pm)Mark 13:13 Wrote: wow what a long thread and will take me time to read it; and yes teaearlgreyhot your point of view seems to me the ultimate logical outcome of the good/evil question if we take God out of the question. But i will need to read the full tread before i can comment further. The question would of course arise of what sort of society do we become if we all follow this code. ( or maybe are as although many profess religion myself included how many really live up to it)
Having God in the equation still doesn't make morality objective. Intuitively I think some aspects of morality ARE objective, we seem to be able to agree that using a live human baby as a hockey puck for the fun of it would be wrong, and I think agreement on extreme cases points to something, but I don't see that as proof. So I'm not someone who denies there's such a thing as objective morality, but recognizes that God (it's good because God says it's good) doesn't provide a solution to the problem. It being subjective to someone else doesn't make it objective to you, God doesn't solve that problem any more than basing your morality off of what Jeb Bush says would.
I suppose it doesn't from a practical point of view when we then would need to have a clear consensus on what Gods opinion was and even then we would have to technically prove was God moral. But as someone else suggested you don't need proof for action and if God exists as I believe Him ( convention and from here in I wont keep qualifying it)
then God would be free to act as He wished and stop the action of others as He wished and because there would be no one more powerful then the Subjective morality of God would become the only morality permitted a place in the Universe any other would only be on licence from God.
But I think the best response to the Morality question for Atheist would be to debate the issue around is there any such thing as an objective morality and is it seperate from GOD. I won't take that line further so as to allow you guys to do some of the work on it
