RE: Do atheists even need an objective moral system?
January 7, 2013 at 2:06 pm
(This post was last modified: January 7, 2013 at 2:12 pm by genkaus.)
(January 5, 2013 at 5:43 am)Zen Badger Wrote: Morality is not objective, if it was then all people all through history would have the same moral code.
Since they clearly don't, it is merely the subjective outcome of how people in different times and localities decide to treat each.
That's a nonsensical argument. It's like saying reality is not objective because if it was then all people through history would have the same philosophies and scientific principles. Since they clearly don't it is merely the subjective outcome of different places and times.
(January 5, 2013 at 3:55 pm)Mark 13:13 Wrote: Well why would the argument for morality being proof of God counter the argument that morality evolved like everything else in the universe, the only way a Theist might try push the point is say without God there cannot be a gold standard unchanging code as God is the only Unchanging Entity that exists ( MY WORDS I KNOW) so I would suspect the Athiest say well we can have morality without god and then the question would be asked how? and of we go into how morality exists within the Framework of the Athiest system and what is the definition of said morality and qualities of said morality. I'm not an expert but thats the way i would see it evolve; i'm sure there are vets in the forum can say if thats what tends to happen or if im partially right or even wrong.
Your argument is correct but you are aiming it at the wrong group. If there is one thing we have established within this thread its that whether there is such a thing as objective morality or not, atheists agree that god is irrelevant to the question. The ones to bring god into it are the theists who trumpet the argument from morality as proof of his existence.
