RE: The logical consequences of omnipotence
January 16, 2013 at 6:57 pm
(This post was last modified: January 16, 2013 at 6:58 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(January 16, 2013 at 1:53 pm)John V Wrote: Can be, yes, but are not necessarily faults. Judges are judgmental, and jealousy can be merited.Perhaps your version of the almighty ought to be as forgiving of the faults you/he perceives in us as you are of the faults we perceive in him eh? You know, relationships, reciprocity, that sort of thing.
Quote:Many atheists charge that God hypothetically should have done those things, so they apparently believe a god hypothetically could have done those things.I think you might have misunderstood those charges more than a little bit. In any case, it hardly matters - I'd ask them the same question. Perhaps I should have been more blunt. What reason do we have for assuming any particular ability or set of abilities? What reason do we have for assuming any particular limit to an ability or to them all as a set? Why would I consider your imaginings on the subject (or any else's) authoritative or even informative?
Quote:Love, kindness, etc.It's very easy to take offense to the first John, especially so if it is unrequited. So easy, in fact, that there is an entire spectrum of criminal law that deals with this. Kindness, meh, I'd find it difficult to take offense, though I'm sure at a point (and again probably to do with a lack of desire for the same) it can become offensive.
Here we are again though, with me asking the same question as above. What reason do we have to assume that a god either loves us, or feels/acts kindly toward us?
Quote:Actually it came from pondering this passage:
Romans 9
22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
The pondering (and who was doing it) clearly being the operative here. I couldn't actually say that the first part of that verse strikes me as speaking to any deep relationship whatsoever. Sounds more like someone laying in wait, planning their revenge. I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that it's the second part that caught you? What riches, what glory? In what way would "making known his riches" imply a deep relationship in the first pklace? Everything in the narrative seems so decidedly single-minded. It seems that in this relationship one end (the human end - that's you) is more like an expensive purse or a pair of sunglasses -made to show off the value and worth and power of the other end (the godly end - not you). You and I might just have a different idea of a what a deep relationship entails. I'm still not sure how any of this applies in any case, as we -are- still talking about relationships with fairies and such........
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