RE: Islam And Internal Peace
October 23, 2009 at 4:59 pm
(This post was last modified: October 23, 2009 at 5:01 pm by theVOID.)
(October 23, 2009 at 3:27 pm)Wael El-Manzalawy Wrote:(October 23, 2009 at 3:15 pm)theVOID Wrote:(October 23, 2009 at 3:10 pm)Wael El-Manzalawy Wrote:(October 23, 2009 at 2:53 pm)Saerules Wrote: And I can do normal sized. You seem to be preaching, Wael El-Manzalawy... and preaching is heavily frowned upon by those looking for discussion (such as the vast majority of the people on this forum). Would you be willing to discuss these statements you have raised?
I am ready for discussion Saerules.
Ok - answer this:
Why should we accept the claims of the Qur'an as anything more than myth?
I used to discuss many secular persons. I used to ask them three questions:
1- Do you think that there is a Creator who has created the universe?
The discussions may take a very long time. But if we came to an agreement that there is a Creator who has created the universe, then we can move to the second question:
2- Should we worship the Creator of the universe or not?
If we came to an agreement that we should worship the Creator of the universe, then we can move to the third question:
3- Have you made a comparison between Islam and other doctrines?
Ok lets start at number 1
No, i don't believe there is a creator. Religion is the attempt of a primitive society to explain existence and give it meaning. Religion came from uneducated, superstitious, illiterate societies, tales passed down through the ages often for many generations before being recorded. The accounts are contradictory and often illogical, under modern examination they are some times very immoral (Muhammad marrying the 8 year old girl) and offer no explanatory power in the modern world.
We as a species found a better, reliable, testable, repeatable way of looking at the universe, but it became not in the form of religion, it was a method of deduction that allowed us with far more accuracy than ever before to probe the universe and find the real truths of what was happening. Science has done more for our species than any other single idea. Ancient religious societies used to believe that all sickness was the result of demons, through the scientific method we discovered the germ theory of disease, people now get real cures. Science can give us the most profound and meaningful implications, it often forces us to rethink our very existence and the universe we live in. The cosmological account of the bing bang through to abiogenisis and evolutionary biology alone is far more profound in my opinion that any religious teachings, it is probing a world of truth beyond the imagination of the primitive middle-eastern tribes of the first few centuries AD, and this is before you get to the Quantum world, it is such a bizarre part of our existence that defies our common intuition, it makes us completely rethink the foundations of the universe in ways never before.
Don't you think it's funny, that after everything science has given us in the last few hundred years, religion has done comparatively fuck all for our species as a whole? It's so called truths consistently fail to deliver, it cannot offer a shred of evidence to support it's beliefs and is growing more and more irrelevant in the future of human society.
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