(January 21, 2013 at 6:52 pm)AtlasS Wrote: A big difference comes in this theory, when the idea of the "messiah" is presented. Jesus was (as far as I know) believed to be coming by the jews, they refused him.
That's the Christian story. When you actually study the OT, you get a different picture.
The messiah the Jews were expecting was an earthly warlord who would lead Israel to glory and ultimate triumph, a figure who bore little resemblance to a meek and mild Lamb of God that Jesus supposedly was. Any converts from their ranks to Christianity could be best explained as some of them despaired of ever beating the Romans and decided their promised kingdom was somewhere in the sky.
Quote:The christians also had predicted the coming of mohammad (one the verses states that, it's real stuff, but I can't recall the verse, I shall search for it again).
I'm already familiar with that apology and can point out the verse from John that was wrenched out of context and obtusely interpreted by Muslim apologists.
Quote:JOHN 15:26-27 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.
The "Comforter" is a reference to The Holy Spirit.
Don't use someone else's scripture to try to prove your religion. In a surprise move, their scripture is written to prove their religion. You're just asking to get your proverbial butt handed to you.
Quote:And don't forget : the reason for jesus's coming, is the corruption of the jewish religion.
All religion is corrupt. Hearkening back to a Pure True Church ™ is nothing more than the nostalgic fantasy of the heterodox. See my new post on that score.
Quote:About great prophets. No, it is not effortless.I thought you said they could not fail.
Can't fail = effortless.
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"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
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... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
