(January 21, 2013 at 8:53 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: That's the Christian story. When you actually study the OT, you get a different picture.
The messiah the Jews were expecting was an earthly warlord who would lead Israel to glory and ultimate triumph, a figure who bore little resemblance to a meek and mild Lamb of God that Jesus supposedly was. Any converts from their ranks to Christianity could be best explained as some of them despaired of ever beating the Romans and decided their promised kingdom was somewhere in the sky.
I'm already familiar with that apology and can point out the verse from John that was wrenched out of context and obtusely interpreted by Muslim apologists.
Quote:JOHN 15:26-27 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.
The "Comforter" is a reference to The Holy Spirit.
Don't use someone else's scripture to try to prove your religion. In a surprise move, their scripture is written to prove their religion. You're just asking to get your proverbial butt handed to you.
All religion is corrupt. Hearkening back to a Pure True Church ™ is nothing more than the nostalgic fantasy of the heterodox. See my new post on that score.
Quote:About great prophets. No, it is not effortless.I thought you said they could not fail.
Can't fail = effortless.
It wasn't taken out of context, taken the variability of the context itself, which christians change with each interpretation. So my proverbial butt is a little bit out of range, since christians themselves are not sure. I shall use their same claim : translation failure .
You have a major flow in understanding what the heck destiny, punishment, winning & losing means in islam.
Winning = heaven, you believe in god & you go to heaven. it goes for prophets and normal people.
Losing = lose your faith ; ending up in hell.
Now about getting the job done, you put your best effort, if god wanted he would aid you, if he didn't aid you, you shall go on, until you finish, or die & fail. in both cases, you tried your best.
That's why, in paying to the poor for example , a person who pays one dollar but he's poor, is the same as somebody who pays 1000 while he's rich.
In conclusion, the person who pays the best he can come up with from his budget, is almost the same as a person who pays thousands but rich.
it's not about result, it's about the action itself ; are you willing to do it or not, and did you put all your all power in it, or half of it, ... etc.
