(February 1, 2013 at 1:10 pm)ronedee Wrote: That's all God wants from us. To do what is morally right, in a world that is headed in the wrong direction. There are "self-evident" things in this world that point to what [is] right...and we ALL know them in our hearts.
I like the world I live in the way it is, thank you.
Quote:We wanted to be like God w/o any entitlements. It's like your children trying to take everything you have before you are even dead! So He said, "Ok kids...you want to be on your own? Go try it!" But, as fathers do, He loved us, and wants to give us everything He has. But we need to show Faith and Love in Him...and YES with no proof except what is self-evident...and RIGHT!
Crucially... it's not self evident. I know you think it's blindingly obvious, but not all of us stood in line for the kool aid, sir.
Quote:Does that mean doing ritualistic backflips and animal sacrafice according to some religion? No!
Why not? Your god was pretty clear on all that once upon a time.
Quote: But it may mean shutting your traps about things you really "don't know" anything about! Like God, and His Son, and His plan. You are willing to believe in theory that is NOT self-proving...yet God being: "all good and all love" isn't a good bet!
No. Science and the human spirit of inquiry are the most powerful weapons we as a species have, and if god didn't want us to use them he shouldn't have given them to us (according to your logic.) I'm not just going to sit quietly because the things I have to say make you uncomfortable, or because you disagree with them.
Also, if we can prove a theory over and over again (I'm sort of guessing we're going to the old standard of evolution here, but science works this way for all theories really) then what else would you call it, if not self-evident? At the very least, we have more evidence for all of the established cornerstone theories of science than we do for god.
But we go where the evidence leads, of course. We just have more stringent standards of evidence than you.
Quote:And really..."Who is like God?" And who are we to say this isn't His purpose no matter how far-fetched it may seem to you? After all...[a] God is [a] God...if at least you believe the word and premise!
Debase yourself before your god, don't expect me to do likewise.
Quote:Actually it all makes perfect sense to me! I have FAITH? I get EVERYTHING!
Or literally the exact opposite. Funny how that works.
Quote:So.... lets be glad, and thankful that God gave us, and you atheists a free will. Otherwise you would be a robot taking orders instead of hanging out here having fun bitching about us and Him!
Demonstrate him first, please. Don't just assume. Because from my perspective, I have nobody to be thankful to.
"YOU take the hard look in the mirror. You are everything that is wrong with this world. The only thing important to you, is you." - ronedee
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