Quote:Do you think that the Jews were wrong in concluding that God is good then? They get this from the same text that you draw the opposite conclusion.
Are you really quoting the Jews here as the authority on god? They deny his one and only begotton son.
Quote:God won't force you to worship him, but nothing would make you happier than to do so.
Still don't get how you know what would make me happier? Even when I was a Christian, I just had to deal with the fact that athiests
were going to be happy and I wasn't, plain and simple. I was taught that life was easy street for athiests because they didn't have
to limit their deeds based on what was right--thus I believed that they got a pass from the devil and good lives while I was left
in the dust choking on it because I was fighting for what's right, which is god. Was I bitter then? Oh yeah. Are you bitter now?
Oh hell yes you are. You can't tell me you arent. I guarantee that I am less bitter now, then I was before. I was angry not only at the
world, myself (for my sinful nature), but I was also mad at god. I mean, was I more secure in thinking there's an afterlife and that I
was created for a purpose, Sure. I felt special.
Oh and fulfilled knowing that athiests would find out in the end that they were wrong and lived their lives wrong (isn't that sadistic?).
But was I happy?
Absolutely not. Absolutely NOT.
I also believed that I'd be rewarded for my goodness as a Christian. Now I do good not for rewards, but because it makes me happy. I can still do good, and it still makes me happy--WiThout god.
Am I bitter at the life not well spent on my part? Sure I am! Not because of all the "sins" I could've done, but because of the absolute impoverishment (emotionally, physically, financially) that I subjected myself to.
And before you go saying I'm dishonest with money that's how I'm better off financially: I'm better off now because I set limits on how much of myself I give, it has nothing to do with athiesm but all to do with not believing that as a Christian I must give my all to make those around me suffer less. And actually, my charity level has gone up in this process--while my poverty has gone down.
Looking back at all the fallacies I was lead to believe, and the conclusion of choosing to believe them--you'd be bitter too if you were me.
Let me give you an example of what I mean by impoverished.
My father has bipolar disorder, and believes that doctors are just trying to play god themselves with their drugs. My mother spent 20yrs of
hellish torment for herself, me and my brother--fighting his disease with 'prayer'. Not one single instance did our prayers do a goddamn thing and we just spent our lives in subjugation to a life of unhappiness and absolute torment, because my mom did not feel justified in leaving her husband even in 'sickness'.
Since becoming aware of the fact that I need not be angry at god for my lifetime of bullshit, I've become happy for the first time <IN MY LIFE>
And my lifestyle has not changed one bit from before deconversion to now, so you can't say that I'm
happier cuz now I get to sin. I'm happier because a weight has been lifted off my shoulders, actually.
Quote:I see. So you are blaming God for the mistakes of misguided people.
And then you replace that with superstition: luck.
I'm really glad you're getting better. Thank God you saw sense.
I'd be blaming god for the misguidance, yeah. If I believed in him. Now I blame no one, and I'm content.
PS I'm not superstitious, but thanks for playing.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.