free will paradox

[Mystical]

Are you really quoting the Jews here as the authority on god? They deny his one and only begotton son.

They wrote the OT right? Which is what is in question here? On the OT alone, the Jews concluded the attributes of God. The Abrahamic God which is the same God as the Christian God. Unlike Allah.

I know atheists quote the OT at Christians like the NT didn't also apply. I know right?

Even to this day, this being the time of the NT, the Jews deny god's one and only. They're going to hell in your opinion yes? So why bother using them as a reference for your belief in the Bible? That's all I'm saying. Oh yeah and in the OT, I find it highly suspect that people who watch as god delivered them from Egypt through supernatural occurrences, were there as the Red Sea parted before their eyes and swallowed an army, witnessed manna from heaven appear daily, and heard for themselves the voice of god at Mt. Sinai--would lose faith in said god just because Moses was delayed returning from Mt. Sinai.

What's that game called again? Oh yeah. BS. I call BS.

Still don't get how you know what would make me happier?

It's that basic that everyone has to be made happier by it. Unless you are perfection, which I know, even though you might be close, you are not, sweet girl.

Projecting much I've already explained how believing in god made me unhappier..Thus that basic principle does not apply to me, hence your statement that everyone "has to be made happier" is innately false
Also, since you correlated the two: How is my perfection or non-perfection relevant to my happiness? No one's perfect, not even god, apparently. He's subject to the same emotions as humanity. Case in point: pride, jealousy, anger, oh and bitterness too. Just to name a few. Even Jesus got angry and took a barbed whip to the moneylenders at the temple. My happiness is not provisional to believing in him. It's within me and me alone.

There's positive and negative effects for actions in this world (some would say caused by evolutionary necessity), and certain actions have different effects on ones' "happiness". For instance, a sadistic homicidal maniac can get happiness from killing. I can get happiness from doing good. You can get happiness from doing good in the name of god. The degree of happiness is not subject to belief in god, it's based on the person and how they find it. Take an upstanding Buddhist for example: they find the extremes of happiness and peace, sans god.

I see you as limiting your scope on the subject, as I did. You're in the box, not me. You're the free bird that put yourself in a cage. Why, is what I wonder? I'm certainly not saying you're less happy, who am I to judge your level of happiness? I'm just a person, like you. And I disagree with your assertion that I can't be happier as a nonbeliever than a believer.
I've taken that conversion from god to no god, quite easily; happiness included. As I see you have done the opposite.

Even when I was a Christian, I just had to deal with the fact that athiests
were going to be happy and I wasn't, plain and simple.

Wow. lol

Seriously Cluckie, I don't recognise this. I don't want to call this non christian, but I see no evidence for the affirmative. If you feel comfortable with it perhaps you could tell us what exactly it was?

Whose mocking who, on this the King's Highway just past Wicker's Gate, dear Christian?

Oh and BS card again. Please explain how you don't recognize that you see athiests as being contently happy in their limited "box"? That by not believing in your gods limitations on how to live, athiests aren't more happy than you? There's those classics like Ebekenezer Scrooge who have everything because they're unscrupulous yet unhappy through and through, but then there's those that are able to live their lives completely god free and happy too. Their happiness is unlimited, despite the comfy blanket you like to throw out there saying they can't have their cake and eat it too.
You don't feel jealousy that they get to live life in their limited little box as you call it, accountable to nobody and nothing for their actions whether they're good or bad? Really?

Side note: If you don't want hostility in your answers, don't ask for it by calling people names. Or rather, ask for it and call me what you want, but don't go complaining about it afterwards, that's rather childish.

Since becoming aware of the fact that I need not be angry at god for my lifetime of bullshit, I've become happy for the first time <IN MY LIFE>
And my lifestyle has not changed one bit from before deconversion to now, so you can't say that I'm happier cuz now I get to sin. I'm happier because a weight has been lifted off my shoulders, actually.

^^ this for example. Sin is the weight you carry on your shoulders. Guilt is sin. It doesn't make any sense if you're calling this Christianity. It's the opposite of that. Not that this isn't very common. There must be a vast majority of people the same. The uk has ~70% that believe in god, and ~80% that believe in ghosts. (rough figures based on facts somewhere, forgive me). So even though there are plenty that give it lip service, the vast majority just don't get it. Your situation sounds more intense though. Perhaps this is common in the US. I hear it's one crazy place of religious nutjobs.

Taking nutjob comment and throwing it in the bin* on grounds of hypocrisy.

What exactly are you saying here then? Are you saying that you don't bear any weight of sin on your shoulders, thus having no sin and no guilt? That's not what I've read in your last posts. You're a sinner like the "rest of us", you're just covered in the blood of Christ. You and I both know you're going to sin, regularly. And feel bad for it till you ask for forgiveness in your next prayer, feel bad for the sins you committed as they teach you on your future path.
I thought Christianity was the enacting force of guilt (Jesus died on the cross for you), hence the need for repentance through Jesus Christ because you were born into sin. Mankind delved itself into sin, God sent his sinless son as intercession for those sins. Wrong? Yes? No? Fill me in here on your beliefs, please.
Also, almost every christian I know believes in ghosts. Most of them think they're demons though. I guess they're not christians because they don't believe in what you a self-proclaimed 'true christian' believe? How do you know they're wrong?

I'm not superstitious

You should change your username then

BS again? Good gravy mister. Are you saying that if someone at church says they were lucky to be alive, that you'd call them out right then and there as worshiping luck? First of all, Lucky is an adjective, not a noun. Hence I can't be worshiping a descriptor. I'm lucky. Honestly, I can't believe I'm having this conversation with you in the first place, but..

Am I not fortunate, blessed, of advantage, getting a break, prosperous, favored, providential for being here despite the infinite odds against my survival? Certainly you can't say that an athiest would believe in such nonsense as luck--which, by the way, you do by default, believe in. God can change the cards for you, that would be lucky wouldn't it? Satan balances the weights against you, that makes your odds of advantage less, doesn't it? What's your point?

Luck
Noun
Success or failure apparently brought by chance rather than through one's own actions.

Chance
/CHans/
Noun
A possibility of something happening.
Adjective
Fortuitous; accidental.
Verb
Do something by accident or without design

Seeing as how my name holds luckie as a description of miss: it's an adjective.

Main Entry:
lucky  [luhk-ee]
Part of Speech: Adjective (DESCRIPTIVE)
1: having good luck
2: happening by chance : fortuitous
3: producing or resulting in good by chance : favorable
4: seeming to bring good luck

Thus I'm miss(fortuitous, happening by accident/without design, favorable)26
....................................................... ^ luckie^