Woman burned alive for 'sorcery' in Papua New Guinea

[Drich]

There's a crucial, crucial thing you seem to be missing here: witchcraft is not a real thing. Witchcraft. Is not. A real thing.

Let me guess you've never ventured past your mother's sight till you went to school, and even then you never wandered far?

Magic doesn't exist. Nobody is a witch.

In your "critical thinking" you have missed this little 'critical' tid-bit. Perception is everything, content/substance means very little when individuals are scared and frightened. IF This poor woman Sold herself as a Witch then to the less informed for All practical purposes she was a witch. One need not have any other qualification. (lest you forget the Salem witch trials)

Beyond that, this woman wasn't a witch, she was accused by a superstitious populace and burnt alive by a mob, if you'd bothered to read the original story. Beyond all this, even if she was presenting as capable of sorcery, why the fuck does that obligate her to avoid the violent thugs who would do her harm as opposed to, say, stopping the thugs in the first place?

I am a licensed to carry concealed firearms, and when I carry large sums of money I do, yet somehow I still find myself "AVOIDING VIOLENT THUGS WHO WOULD DO ME HARM, as Apposed to Stopping the Thugs in the First Place." Call me old fashioned because I subscribe to the whole (A crime has not been committed, till the actual crime gets committed philosophy.) You may Crave the world the Minority Report World Tom Cruise lived in, but I don't. Even if that means I don't get to openly carry large sums of cash, and have to go out of my way to avoid people who may do me harm for the money I carry.

It would hardly be her fault even if she did claim to be a witch: she didn't deserve to die.

Not the issue being discussed.

And this is where your cop analogy breaks down: the fact is, there's specific exhortations to kill witches in the bible (Exodus 22:18, Leviticus 20:27) but no such instructions for the murder of cops. So yes, we place some blame on the religion as well as the perpetrators of the crime, because the crime was committed on a religious basis. Without the religion, there would have been no crime. The religion created the problem ("there are witches!" actually, no there aren't) and then sold the solution. So to avoid talking about the religion would be patently ridiculous.

I'm confused was this woman murder by Old Testament Jews? Or do you simply not understand the division between Old Testament Judaism and Christianity?

But then, I might not be arguing my best right now: I'm still reeling from the sheer irony of you, of all people, calling anyone else self righteous.

Apparently you do not understand the context or the meaning of "Self righteousness." You are using it as an insult. I used it because your action literally fit the actual definition of the term.

Well first, I'd ask you to prove your assertion that violence is done unto Christians like this.

See the post i left Cato

But secondly, let me ask you a question: do you feel that, in your little universe where you're the most persecuted group ever, that these groups are justified in persecuting you? Do you feel like you should have to stay away due to the baseless beliefs of another group? See where I'm going with this?

no I do not. For all I did in my original post was to draw a parallel. In that Christians tend to avoid regions where they are being used as fire wood.

And at the end of the day, what was your point in asking the original question? What did you hope to gain? So what if she did present as a witch? Are you saying she deserved to be killed, or that it was somehow her fault?

To stir the pot, See I like starting out using an argument most LAZY Atheists can easily identify. One that starts out sounding like an old Christian standby argument that most atheist have encountered many times. But then I put a twist on it to catch these lazy people off guard. It makes them think for themselves to come up with something to address this new argument, or it identifies those who can't think for themselves and simply push on with the standard atheist argument to combat the standard Christian argument I started out with... Which are you Equlax?

Why do i do it?
To see how deep the rabbit hole goes. To see how ingrained are those who will answer are. To see if you paying attention, or if you are arguing to argue. In this case I hoped to show you how 'thin' a veil popular morality can be.

On one hand I get 'checked' everytime i say "You people" or Those people, and on the other "you people" have worked yourself into a frenzy, just because i question this poor lady's role in this whole mess. When you all saw an opportunity to soap box your 'morality' over what you thought was a Salem witch hunter's question, you All cast your core values to the wind in hope of hanging me out to dry. All of you are guilty of bigoted remarks, condemning Christianity, the community this woman lived in to even condemning the whole Island nation reducing them to cannibals. All the while skirting the FACT that neither the community, religion nor Nation in Question has laws promoting the burning of witches. Which makes this a senseless murder. Not a state sanctioned murder, Not a Religiously sanctioned Murder, Not even a Community wide sanctioned Murder.

To say it was more, to say it was the fault of the state or a given religion only shows your personal Prejudices against a given group of affiliation of people.