free will paradox

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I notice you didn't answer my question misluckie. What is this religion you were freed from? Which denomination?

Even to this day, this being the time of the NT, the Jews deny god's one and only. They're going to hell in your opinion yes? So why bother using them as a reference for your belief in the Bible? That's all I'm saying.

So you're not disagreeing that what you conclude is highly suspect if it contradicts what the authors themselves concluded?

your statement that everyone "has to be made happier" is innately false

The perversion you describe has nothing to do with any faith that I subscribe to. You're saying that positivity doesn't work in one breath, and then arguing it does in the next. The difference = the way you label it. You need to find some consistency, then you'd start making sense.

Also, since you correlated the two: How is my perfection or non-perfection relevant to my happiness?

It's how you're built. Your failings make you unhappy, as mine do me.

No one's perfect, not even god, apparently. He's subject to the same emotions as humanity. Case in point: pride, jealousy, anger, oh and bitterness too. Just to name a few. Even Jesus got angry and took a barbed whip to the moneylenders at the temple.

Again, this is not Christianity. Anger isn't a sin. Ever heard of this one: "In your anger do not sin: Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry" (Eph 4:26)
God is perfect. Perfect is God. It's the definition. You can bastardise that all you want, it doesn't alter the fact of the definition. There is no proof to the contrary.

My happiness is not provisional to believing in him. It's within me and me alone.

What is within you is from God. In him you will find perfect happiness. Think of that in secular terms, and you're saying exactly the same thing. You're hung up on what is to you a taboo langueage. Get over it.

I see you as limiting your scope on the subject, as I did.

Yes, you're projecting that hell you went through onto me. I've said already that it bears no reference to me or my belief at all. It is pure perversion.

Even when I was a Christian, I just had to deal with the fact that athiests
were going to be happy and I wasn't, plain and simple.

Wow. lol

Seriously Cluckie, I don't recognise this. I don't want to call this non christian, but I see no evidence for the affirmative. If you feel comfortable with it perhaps you could tell us what exactly it was?

Whose mocking who, on this the King's Highway just past Wicker's Gate, dear Christian?

I'm not mocking you. I'm asking you to exlpain this gross misrepresentation, and for some reason you don't want to answer.

You don't feel jealousy that they get to live life in their limited little box as you call it, accountable to nobody and nothing for their actions whether they're good or bad? Really?

I never mentioned any box, you did. You're projecting.

An atheist wouldn't appreciate what they're missing, otherwise no one would have to explain it. You can't say that imperfection = perfection, as that would be illogical. So one has to be greater than the other. that's a simple fact. Is that attainable for you not accepting the possiblity? No.

I quite agree that the batcrazy experience you relate would be worse than both of those. But who's talking about that being in any way right? Oh yeah that would be you!?

Taking nutjob comment and throwing it in the bin* on grounds of hypocrisy.

lol
Methinks you have no idea what you're talking about.

I thought Christianity was the enacting force of guilt

You thought wrong

Also, almost every christian I know believes in ghosts. Most of them think they're demons though. I guess they're not christians because they don't believe in what you a self-proclaimed 'true christian' believe? How do you know they're wrong?

Because that goes against biblical teaching? That's how they'd know I was wrong too.

Am I not fortunate, blessed, of advantage, getting a break, prosperous, favored, providential for being here despite the infinite odds against my survival?

Sing it sister

Certainly you can't say that an athiest would believe in such nonsense as luck

Quite. Yet you have it as your username. Ironic.

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wanting something to be true doesn't make it true. That's just wishful thinking.

And what does believing it do? To you it's wishful thinking, to me it's reality.

your desires in the matter are not evidence one way or the other as to whether there is ultimate justice or not.

Of course not.

So until you either demonstrate the actual existence

And do you realise how fallacious that request is?

The fact that people interpret reality in terms of fairness has deep roots in our nature as a social species

A God given ability, to state the taboo

you need to demonstrate that your god hypothesis explains the facts themselves, not simply that god "could" explain it, that god "seems like a plausible explanation," or even that there doesn't appear to be any other explanation.

God does explain it. That is his purpose, from our perspective. Call it anything you like, there are other ways of describing it. I remain open minded to finding another answer that is so complete.

So, without assuming the existence of God:

The assumption has to be yours. The belief is mine. Address theology and you'll address the subject.