(February 16, 2013 at 9:07 pm)Zone Wrote:(February 16, 2013 at 8:40 pm)Drew_2013 Wrote: Its not a matter of telling you what you believe its a matter of logical consequences. If you don't beileve, or lack belief a Creator caused and designed the universe then consequently you do believe we owe our existence to mindless forces that didn't intentionally create a universe or humans. Let me prove it, do you believe the universe and subsequently humans were caused and created by mindless forces that didn't intend out existence? This is your chance to tell me what you think rather than me tell you what you think.
If our current model of evolution is true (where you have random mutation occurring and then non-random natural selection and you get something as complex as a human from that) then I think that would very strongly suggest mindless natural forces that didn't intend for us.
Exactly, thats what most atheists believe, that we owe the existence of the universe and our existence to mindless forces that didn't intend us or the universe to exist. That belief has significant philosophical consequences.
