(February 19, 2013 at 8:05 pm)orogenicman Wrote:(February 19, 2013 at 1:21 pm)Drew_2013 Wrote: No, it doesn't make any difference whether there tunable or not. Even if for some unknown reason they had to be as they are its still just as astonishing that if a universe comes into existence it has to be in the narrow range to support life. I'm only concerned about the life forms we do know of not fantasy ones.
The fact that life as we know it seems to have limits outside of which it cannot live is not evidence of a universe finely tuned for life. It IS evidence of evolution, that life itself is tunable, not the other way around.
Drew Wrote:Secondly It doesn't matter to me whether you think the arguments I make hold water. I assume none of them will.
The only place we know where evolution took place (assuming it works as its supposed to) is on planet earth, with abundant water, stable seasons and just the right distance from the sun. Not to mention a core that gives off a magnetic field that shields us from the harmful effects of the sun. From what can be ascertained, not only do very specific planetary conditions need to be satisfied but also universal conditions such as the right strength of gravity to form planets, form stars, galaxies and so forth. If life were tunable to the conditions as you suggest, we should see life that adapted to conditions on the moon or mars but so far no evidence of that.
Quote:Erm, if you assume that your arguments will not hold water, why bother?
I assume they don't hold water with folks who are arguing in favor of atheism and are advocates of atheism, they do hold water with me.
