(November 8, 2009 at 6:24 am)Ace Wrote: Yep, I've got a sore throat and my voice has gone deep. It's just sooo predictable! Blasted thing!
Ok, back to topic at hand.
It's not so bad if you're in one of those 'Barry White' moods

(November 8, 2009 at 6:24 am)Ace Wrote:Quote:Theory in the scientific sense yeah. Before I swamp yo ass with a tirade of biblical proofs are you sure you'd accept internally verifiable proofs?The only kind of proof I'll accept is a scientific one. I don't do superstitions.
Like that quote "Superstition is a religion for fools".
The bible is not proof. Just like the qur'an is not proof of allah.
I don't do superstition either. I'm afraid internal proofs are all there is. Ah well.
(November 8, 2009 at 6:24 am)Ace Wrote:Quote:If the majority see a pattern who is deluded? We all understand stuff the only way we can. We can do no better.During the medieval times religion was high and wide spread. The vast majority believed, does not mean they were right though. It is a claim remember, and an unprovable one. So who's the deluded one? We aren't the ones claiming there is an invisible flying man in the sky.
It means they were wrong in that case. They had no choice but to believe, which of course isn't belief at all.
It's an internally proven claim. It isn't scientifically provable just logically provable.
I don't claim there's a flying man in the sky either. In this instance I'm claiming that there's something tangible that people describe as a soul. God is a description of something we also observe associated with the soul. It happens to describe a lot of stuff very thoroughly and satisfies the inquisitiveness of our minds. At no point does it ever require scientific proof.
(November 8, 2009 at 6:24 am)Ace Wrote:Quote:You don't need to dismiss faith _because_ of science though. Scientific theory isn't challenged by faith IMO. If a belief contradicts hard science then that belief is mistaken IMO.
I don't need science in order to dismiss faith. I dismissed it because I have no faith. I don't believe. I prefer to go to science for answers and understanding. I never have believed in some spirit or god. I don't have faith and that is why I dismiss it. Science wasn't the direct reason of why I dismissed faith. I dismissed it before I looked into science. I was hugely impressed when my father took me to both the natural history museum and the science museum (in london). No faith/religion could ever top that.
So I stuck with the eye opening science and dismissed the boring talk from religion.
Science never answers the 'why' questions. Which seems to suggest you've never been interested in 'why', just 'how'. Thing is, I bet you consider the why all the time, and make up your own shit to rationalise it. What your doing is reinventing the wheel as you must. No bad thing. I have a lot of respect for honest questioning.