Israel

[The Grand Nudger]

http://suntzusaid.com/

66. Forestall your opponent by seizing what he holds dear

Obviously, they are not carrying on terrorism because they're insane. Israel won't back off, in war mister Rhythm, even the most civilized & modern countries do carry on this rule from "the art of war" by bombing civilians..

I think operation "Shock & Awe" was an evidence of that.

Suntzu said plenty of things, but having Suntzu weigh in on something does not make it terrorism, or exclude it from being terrorism. Even the most civilized and advanced countries mislay munitions. Aiming for a strategic target and instead hitting a civilian target is an unfortunate consequence of war, but not terrorism. One must explicitly engage in a campaign of violence against soft targets, say civilians with the aim of producing terror- for something to be called terrorism.

"Shock and Awe (technically known as rapid dominance) is a military doctrine based on the use of overwhelming power, dominant battlefield awareness, dominant maneuvers, and spectacular displays of force to paralyze an adversary's perception of the battlefield and destroy its will to fight. The doctrine was written by Harlan K. Ullman and James P. Wade in 1996 and is a product of the National Defense University of the United States."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_and_awe

Hmn, I guess the part about attacking civilians in order to scare the shit out of them got left out of the draft the wiki contributor was working from.

You see, I don't like double standards. With this standard you're putting, everybody on earth is a terrorist. It's a rule of war -even though I hate it & don't agree with it & Islam made it forbidden-, but you must change your mentality to understand what's happening in the world.

Tactical bombers are an example.. all western countries have them : )

Blame war & the "country which started it".. but don't blame soldiers who try to win the battle, especially if the second party is carrying on the same rule.

Neither do I, but that wouldn't excuse terrorism from any faction. I'm not putting forward any standard- terrorism already has a definition that segregates it from conventional warfare (which is what the rapid dominance doctrine is - and what strategic bombers are for - though of course they can be used for acts of terrorism - say the fire bombing of Dresden). Engaging in a war does not make one a terrorist, and it wouldn't matter if it did (with respects to excusing this or that act of another factions terrorists). To be completely blunt, moralizing acts of war is pretty shaky right from the outset as it's a giant shit sandwhich start to finish - whats the aim, to show that one side is the lesser of two turds?

Who's blaming soldiers for anything? I'd be the last person to point that finger. I have no problem pointing a finger at terrorists. I'll point the finger at the terrorist, I'll point the finger at the people who funded and trained the terrorist and I'll point the finger at the people who support or attempt to excuse their actions.......

(and just to add a little spice to the convo, a large number of civilian casualties in recent wars can be attributed to a battle doctrine of mixing civilians with combatants, so I suppose it's up to you to decide which faction is the lesser of the two turds, the one that hits civilians while returning fire in an attempt to save their lives - or the one that brings along their auntie and nephews with the aim of turning them into human shields. I'm biased, after all, wasn't my auntie, aint my nephews- I'd probably get bitchslapped for even suggesting such an adventure.)

To make a very long story short - one can rattle on about all the horrible things that any particular culture or nation has done - or whatever horrible things one thinks the culture or nation has done - and it won't matter in the least. The misdeeds of others does not excuse ones own, two wrongs don't make a right, I'm willing to bet that every culture has a saying that amounts to this - it's probably been said countless times by now.