(February 26, 2013 at 4:26 am)missluckie26 Wrote: Hiya DrichHow could you possiably know that Adam and Eve did not know what Death meant? Gen 3 would suggest that Eve knew full well what Death meant. Because She had to be convinced that She would not die before she ate. It wasn't until she had full assureances from Satan that she would not die did she eat. Then when adam saw her after she ate he knew that she was not dead. Or aleast understood that she was not what he thought death was.
I remember a particular child I babysat, I told her, "Christy! Don't touch that, it'll burn you!"
She looked me straight in the eye, and touched it. She didn't know what burning meant.
Eitherway you want to look at it they knew of Death and they knew the fruit was tied to it.
Quote:Was it her fault she got burnt for not listening to me? Nope, the fault was mine. I let her get close enough to the burner to getChildren push boundries, that is what they do from the time they can walk forward. Burning one's self is apart of that process, that is why we have been given the ablity to heal. Subsequently that is why there has been a plan of salvation before the creation process started. (so we can be healed for burning ourselves when we pushed past the boundries of God)
burnt, and I knew what would happen if she touched it.
Quote: In god's case, is he not even more (sinfully) responsible for putting the tree there in the first place?Is God responsiable for giving us the oppertunity for sin/choice YES! For He put the Tree of knoweledge in the Garden. The Tree from the beginning repersentes Choice. Sin is not automatically bad the way you all seem to think it is. Sin=FreeWill. God knows this and is why He put the tree with in the Garden, and it is also why we have been given the oppertunity to be forgiven of our sins. You can not have one without the other. For Sin is Choice. with out choice/sin then there is only the expressed will of God. If there is only God's Expressed will then We must Always obey it.
As it is now, we have God's expressed will and our own. We have also been given a way to redeem ourselves to get back into God's grace if we so Choose. We literally have the best of both worlds, and get to choose how we experience eternity because of this choice we have been given.
Quote: And also was there even death before the fall?The Fossil record would support this assumption, and Adam and Eve's actions would indicate that they fully knew of death. That is why they both had to be convinced that death was not a factor before they ate the fruit.