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Why humans are so distinct from other species?
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RE: Why humans are so distinct from other species?
(February 26, 2013 at 9:33 pm)earmuffs Wrote: Grass. Silicon. Fire.

Without these three things we would be still climbing trees and picking ants out of ant holes with sticks.

It is all about brain size/capacity...


"What a bunch of hooey."


I think you've got entirely too much teleology in your evolutionary just-so story. I'm tolerant of adaptationist arguments (although they make me irritable), but the existence of a trait requires more than the postulation of a potential benefit (and many of your hypotheticals are very, very weak. [grass; what about the aquatic ape theory?]). Admittedly, I've done likewise in my span, but I think, perhaps, one should concentrate on finding selectional pressures and not simply potential benefits. (As well as specifics; if the possibility of potential advantage is the yardstick, it's difficult to explain why other animals haven't evolved to take advantage of the same benefits.) Beyond that, your arrows of causality tend to swing wildly.

I think Min has the nut of it. While I contend that we have evolved specific social behaviors which result in greater instrumental utility, these behaviors themselves are not in and of themselves categorically different in terms of a cognitive ability than any other set of social behaviors which another species might employ to less spectacular results. The result is what's so distinctive, not the mechanism that produced it, as, if my contention is correct and the result is caused by the properties of the social behaviors, and not by any significantly distinctive cognitive ability, then we are not distinctive; just different. (ETA: It occurs to me there are other examples of this split between the impressiveness of the result and that of the mechanism. Army ants, a bee colony, and a beaver damn come to mind.) [And I'll note that while it's a popular notion that man has unusual reasoning abilities, relative to the animal kingdom, I hold just the opposite view, that our so-called "rational" abilities are more myth than reality. That necessarily shapes my estimate as to whether even if we have more intelligence, that makes us distinct as I view that component's contribution to our behavior (rational intelligence and abstract reasoning) as not really contributing substantially to our behavior. [And note, if all that brain increase is a result of producing a linguistic capacity, that does make us distinct along that dimension, but I rather suspect that's not the dimension of interest to most advocating our distinctiveness. As a side example, there was an experiment in which they taught some dolphins to perform a specific trick when shown a symbol on a placard. One of the symbols meant, "improvise." They showed that symbol to two dolphins simultaneously. At first attempt, the dolphins submerged and surfaced with no real event. The dolphins were shown the symbol again. Both submerged, and when they resurfaced, the two dolphins did the same trick in tandem. That to me is prima facie evidence that they can communicate, and that our notions of animal communication are an argument from ignorance. Moreover, there is a group of about a half dozen monkey species that travel together in the rain forest. They have evolved such that they are able to interpret each other's calls such that if one species signals "danger above!" the other species understand that. Is our ability to communicate within our species superior to the ability to communicate with other species in our immediate environment? You tell me.]


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RE: Why humans are so distinct from other species? - by Annik - February 16, 2013 at 2:47 pm
RE: Why humans are so distinct from other species? - by Darth - February 16, 2013 at 6:33 am
RE: Why humans are so distinct from other species? - by Zone - February 16, 2013 at 7:32 am
RE: Why humans are so distinct from other species? - by Darth - February 16, 2013 at 12:00 pm
RE: Why humans are so distinct from other species? - by Zone - February 16, 2013 at 3:56 pm
RE: Why humans are so distinct from other species? - by Zone - February 16, 2013 at 5:25 pm
RE: Why humans are so distinct from other species? - by Annik - February 24, 2013 at 6:58 pm
RE: Why humans are so distinct from other species? - by Angrboda - February 27, 2013 at 12:57 pm
RE: Why humans are so distinct from other species? - by justin - February 27, 2013 at 12:26 am
RE: Why humans are so distinct from other species? - by Severan - February 27, 2013 at 11:53 pm
RE: Why humans are so distinct from other species? - by Cato - February 28, 2013 at 2:30 am
RE: Why humans are so distinct from other species? - by Severan - February 28, 2013 at 11:27 pm

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