RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless.
February 27, 2013 at 1:31 pm
(This post was last modified: February 27, 2013 at 2:01 pm by ronedee.)
(February 27, 2013 at 9:56 am)ChadWooters Wrote: God is not a disinterested third-party. That is your first mistake.
Your second mistake is thinking that forgiveness prevents consequences. God will forgive Bill, but Bill may still suffer for his violence in this life as part of Divine Providence.
Your third mistake is not recognizing that Bill has commited two crimes: one civil and one moral. Bill has violated Ted, but in so doing he has also violated the 'moral order'. Whether the 'moral order' is God's command, evolutionarily instilled empathy, or Objectivism's moral code, or the Golden Rule, doesn't matter. Making civil restitution with Ted alone does not automatically restore Bill's conformity to the 'moral order'. If repentance brings Bill back into conformity with the 'moral order', that does not pay his civil debt to Ted.
Very eloquently said! Unfortunately "pearls to swine" to most around here.
The short answer? Forgiveness is a personal matter between the Lord and the sinner.
It's unimportant what an unbeliever thinks or feels....or any human for that matter. The Lord knows our hearts...as well as the number of hairs on our heads!
We've ALL done things that we...uh...most of us regret. It's where we go from that moment of realization that determines our ultimate direction in life...and thereafter.
(February 27, 2013 at 1:21 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Like I said before, it's an unsatisfactory answer for the atheist. It ends up making God look like a narcissist that lacks consideration for how actions affect others. Personally, I would like to see a god that has restitution to the victim as a condition for forgiveness. This, however, is a question about Christianity to which a valid, albeit unsatisfactory, answer has been given.
LOL! I just had to chime in here. Atheists look at God according to OUR RULES!
Can't anyone here "even imagine" a BIGGER PICTURE??!!
Think like this: humans = box of rocks..... God = Einstein
We are all the same! SINNERS. We all have our own crosses to bear and forgiveness to seek in this life... victims or not! From God first, and our fellow man.
I'm not talking about a virtual eyeblink in our time on Earth! We are talking about ETERNITY!
You will find what you seek! If you seek God? You will find Him. If you seek NOTHING?
Good Luck!
Quis ut Deus?
