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Gods forgiveness is worthless.
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RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless.
(February 27, 2013 at 2:50 pm)Question Mark Wrote: My question then becomes this: What should I watch out for? Upon asking earnestly for him to reveal himself, what is it that he will/might do to make himself known to me?

I've asked before, honestly I have with earnest intention asked for god to make himself known, and to my mind it has not happened. What had I missed?
It keeps coming back to what evidence you would accept. Probably none. I found a blog post that says why better than I could say it.


Quote:...in his book "Arguing about Gods", Graham Oppy says:

'even if it were conceded that the parting of the Red Sea occurred, it is not clear that the parting of the Red Sea demands a supernatural explanation; and, more important, even if the parting of the Red Sea does demand a supernatural explanation, it is not clear that the best supernatural explanation is to suppose that it is the result of the actions of an orthodoxly conceived monotheistic god (p.377)'

The "it is not clear" that the parting of Red Sea demands a supernatural explanation could be available to the atheist as an excuse even if hard evidence for the parting of the Red Sea were available. Hence, based on such an excuse, the atheist would have a reason to avoid accepting the existence of God.

And...

Quote:"Someone who has naturalistic preconceptions will always in fact find some naturalistic explanation more plausible than a supernatural one... Suppose that I woke up in the night and saw the stars arranged in shapes that spelt out the Apostle's Creed. I would know that astronomically it is impossible that stars should have changed their position. I don't know what I would think. Perhaps I would think that I was dreaming or that I had gone mad. What if everyone else seemed to me to be telling me that the same had happened? Then I might not only think that I had gone mad-- I would probably go mad" (J.J.C. Smart in his contribution to the book Atheism and Theism, pp.50-51. Emphasis in blue added)

So, the naturalist has a unfalsifiable assumption in favor of naturalism which precludes the efficacy of any evidence for the contrary. The naturalist position is being treated like an unfalsifiable hypothesis (and hence, like an unscientific one).
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Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by downbeatplumb - February 26, 2013 at 10:20 am
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by Drich - February 26, 2013 at 10:59 am
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by downbeatplumb - February 26, 2013 at 11:05 am
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by Drich - February 26, 2013 at 11:17 am
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by Esquilax - February 26, 2013 at 11:54 am
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by Drich - February 26, 2013 at 12:30 pm
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by Cato - February 26, 2013 at 1:13 pm
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by Drich - February 26, 2013 at 2:28 pm
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by downbeatplumb - February 26, 2013 at 1:32 pm
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by Question Mark - February 26, 2013 at 10:52 pm
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by Drich - February 27, 2013 at 1:06 am
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by Question Mark - February 27, 2013 at 8:40 am
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by Drich - February 27, 2013 at 2:39 pm
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by Question Mark - February 27, 2013 at 2:50 pm
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by Drich - February 27, 2013 at 5:13 pm
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by Neo-Scholastic - February 28, 2013 at 1:24 pm
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by Ryantology - February 28, 2013 at 1:45 pm
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by Baalzebutt - February 27, 2013 at 3:26 pm
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by Minimalist - February 26, 2013 at 11:13 am
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by Minimalist - February 26, 2013 at 11:21 am
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by Cato - February 26, 2013 at 12:29 pm
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by John V - February 26, 2013 at 1:33 pm
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by downbeatplumb - February 26, 2013 at 1:43 pm
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by John V - February 26, 2013 at 1:53 pm
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by downbeatplumb - February 26, 2013 at 2:07 pm
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by John V - February 26, 2013 at 2:23 pm
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by downbeatplumb - February 26, 2013 at 2:44 pm
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by Faith No More - February 26, 2013 at 4:22 pm
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by Cato - February 26, 2013 at 11:21 pm
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by John V - February 27, 2013 at 9:48 am
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by Neo-Scholastic - February 27, 2013 at 9:56 am
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by ronedee - February 27, 2013 at 1:31 pm
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by Question Mark - February 27, 2013 at 2:22 pm
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by ronedee - February 27, 2013 at 3:53 pm
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by Baalzebutt - February 27, 2013 at 4:20 pm
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by ronedee - February 28, 2013 at 12:31 pm
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by Question Mark - February 28, 2013 at 12:48 pm
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by ronedee - February 28, 2013 at 1:02 pm
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by Question Mark - February 28, 2013 at 2:28 pm
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by Neo-Scholastic - February 28, 2013 at 3:53 pm
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by Question Mark - February 28, 2013 at 4:00 pm
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by ronedee - February 28, 2013 at 4:24 pm
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by Question Mark - February 28, 2013 at 4:32 pm
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by Esquilax - March 1, 2013 at 10:06 am
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by Question Mark - February 27, 2013 at 5:56 pm
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by Faith No More - February 27, 2013 at 1:21 pm
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by downbeatplumb - February 27, 2013 at 2:31 pm
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by John V - February 27, 2013 at 4:39 pm
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by Ryantology - February 27, 2013 at 4:56 pm
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by John V - February 27, 2013 at 5:24 pm
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by Ryantology - February 27, 2013 at 6:37 pm
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by Neo-Scholastic - February 27, 2013 at 6:48 pm
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by Question Mark - February 27, 2013 at 6:52 pm
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by Ryantology - February 26, 2013 at 10:44 pm
RE: Gods forgiveness is worthless. - by ronedee - March 5, 2013 at 11:40 am

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