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Is the Christian God fair?
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RE: Is the Christian God fair?
(March 3, 2013 at 11:09 am)MysticKnight Wrote: I would post this on Christianforums.com were it not for my fear that I would get banned. I've been get warnings and infractions every time I post something that challenges Christianity. Apparently it's part of the rules of the site that I don't post such things.

The basic problem I find is the following.

A non-Christian can be more praiseworthy then a Christian in most actions and spirit and some beliefs.

An example of beliefs is that a non-Christian can believe we ought to not do slavery while a Christian can believe we ought to do it, and that it's endorse by the Bible per his interpretation.

A Christian doesn't become immune to bad actions.

Now why is a Christian saved and non-Christian not saved? It's essentially that the latter has not believed in Christianity while a Christian has.

When asked why does God punish, it's stated it's because of justice. And when asked why does God then save some from his wrath, it's because of his grace.
Seems you've answered the question yourself.

First let's note that fair can have two meanings in this context: equal, or deserved.

Biblically, everyone deserves punishment. However, some people are spared punishment, and even given reward. So, no, God isn't fair in either sense of the word.

I don't see why you even need to ask this. You note yourself that salvation comes from grace. Grace is by definition unmerited favor. Related to it is mercy, which is by definition unmerited forbearance of punishment.
Quote:Then God is being choosy. This would be somewhat justified if his choice was based on the merits and actions of the person.
Yes, God is being choosy. The Bible makes that clear:

Romans 9
15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy.
Quote:But it's based on belief of that person alone.
Grace and mercy, being unmerited, can be based on anything (or nothing) the person in power to bestow it chooses.

Quote:Furthermore, there seems to be a another problem,
You haven't shown that there's a problem at all. Yes, salvation is unfair. Being saved myself I rejoice in that, as fairness in both senses of the word would require my eternal damnation.
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Is the Christian God fair? - by MysticKnight - March 3, 2013 at 11:09 am
RE: Is the Christian God fair? - by CleanShavenJesus - March 3, 2013 at 11:30 am
RE: Is the Christian God fair? - by MysticKnight - March 3, 2013 at 11:32 am
RE: Is the Christian God fair? - by CleanShavenJesus - March 3, 2013 at 11:49 am
RE: Is the Christian God fair? - by Minimalist - March 3, 2013 at 12:03 pm
RE: Is the Christian God fair? - by MysticKnight - March 3, 2013 at 12:08 pm
RE: Is the Christian God fair? - by CleanShavenJesus - March 3, 2013 at 1:58 pm
RE: Is the Christian God fair? - by MysticKnight - March 3, 2013 at 1:59 pm
RE: Is the Christian God fair? - by John V - March 3, 2013 at 12:07 pm
RE: Is the Christian God fair? - by MysticKnight - March 3, 2013 at 12:13 pm
RE: Is the Christian God fair? - by John V - March 3, 2013 at 12:25 pm
RE: Is the Christian God fair? - by Minimalist - March 3, 2013 at 12:10 pm
RE: Is the Christian God fair? - by Question Mark - March 3, 2013 at 12:21 pm
RE: Is the Christian God fair? - by festive1 - March 3, 2013 at 1:42 pm
RE: Is the Christian God fair? - by MysticKnight - March 3, 2013 at 1:57 pm
RE: Is the Christian God fair? - by Minimalist - March 3, 2013 at 2:13 pm
RE: Is the Christian God fair? - by Drich - March 3, 2013 at 6:07 pm
RE: Is the Christian God fair? - by Fruity - March 3, 2013 at 8:42 pm
RE: Is the Christian God fair? - by Drich - March 4, 2013 at 12:28 am
RE: Is the Christian God fair? - by Question Mark - March 4, 2013 at 12:35 am
RE: Is the Christian God fair? - by Drich - March 4, 2013 at 12:19 pm
RE: Is the Christian God fair? - by Question Mark - March 4, 2013 at 1:30 pm
RE: Is the Christian God fair? - by Brian37 - March 4, 2013 at 1:48 pm
RE: Is the Christian God fair? - by Drich - March 4, 2013 at 2:23 pm
RE: Is the Christian God fair? - by Cato - March 4, 2013 at 1:09 am
RE: Is the Christian God fair? - by Drich - March 4, 2013 at 12:24 pm
RE: Is the Christian God fair? - by Brian37 - March 4, 2013 at 12:31 pm
RE: Is the Christian God fair? - by Drich - March 4, 2013 at 12:57 pm
RE: Is the Christian God fair? - by Brian37 - March 4, 2013 at 12:21 pm
RE: Is the Christian God fair? - by Cato - March 4, 2013 at 1:49 pm
RE: Is the Christian God fair? - by Brian37 - March 4, 2013 at 1:51 pm
RE: Is the Christian God fair? - by Drich - March 4, 2013 at 2:39 pm
RE: Is the Christian God fair? - by festive1 - March 4, 2013 at 2:42 pm
RE: Is the Christian God fair? - by Brian37 - March 4, 2013 at 2:44 pm
RE: Is the Christian God fair? - by John V - March 4, 2013 at 3:08 pm
RE: Is the Christian God fair? - by Esquilax - March 4, 2013 at 3:52 pm
RE: Is the Christian God fair? - by jstrodel - March 4, 2013 at 11:31 pm
RE: Is the Christian God fair? - by John V - March 4, 2013 at 4:20 pm
RE: Is the Christian God fair? - by Question Mark - March 4, 2013 at 6:55 pm
RE: Is the Christian God fair? - by John V - March 4, 2013 at 7:34 pm
RE: Is the Christian God fair? - by Jackalope - March 4, 2013 at 3:58 pm
RE: Is the Christian God fair? - by Drich - March 4, 2013 at 10:06 pm
RE: Is the Christian God fair? - by Brian37 - March 4, 2013 at 2:37 pm
RE: Is the Christian God fair? - by festive1 - March 4, 2013 at 3:16 pm
RE: Is the Christian God fair? - by Drich - March 5, 2013 at 12:43 am
RE: Is the Christian God fair? - by Question Mark - March 4, 2013 at 7:55 pm

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