(March 1, 2013 at 10:27 pm)Esquilax Wrote:(February 27, 2013 at 10:32 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: It's about the overall nett good. And I explained that before you can accuse the Church of doing ''bad stuff'' you would need to show that those deeds were actually approved and formally advocated by the Church in accordance with its scriptural doctrines. You cant blame the Church for actions which the Church renounces as sinful.
So... wait: you can't blame the church for any of it's bad behavior, because in theory it has a book that tells its adherents not to do those things? By that logic, we can't blame a murderer because we have laws against killing....
You have overlooked the fact that the vast majority of people obey the laws we have against killing. So there ARE two groups.
The ones who do what society would expect - obey the law.
And the ones who dont.
By analogy, the Church CAN therefore point to a clear distinction between those who act in accordance with the public, formally advocated scriptural doctrines of the Church and those who do NOT.
You cannot blame the Church for deeds which it officially renounces as an abomination - especially when it is apparently quite common for the very people doing those deeds (liars and deceivers, pedophiles, etc) to outwardly pretend to be members of the church.
