Colorado parents of transgender 1st-grader file complaint over restroom ban

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Honestly, I'm just surprised that transsexuality is emerging that young in people.

Honestly, I'm not.

But then, I'm honestly confused by the whole 'standing up to pee' nonsense... so clearly my line of thought is an outlier

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That poor little girl should be able to go to whatever restroom she wants. She'll have her own stall. Who does it hurt?

I imagine it hurts the sensibilities of the school board and principle... I'm mildly aghast that the girl's parents would reveal such publicly when she's 6. SIX.

I couldn't handle the resultant bullying and social ostracization at twice her age.

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We are dead if someone with a penis wants to use the woman's restroom. HOW CAN WE DEAL WITH THIS!?

Obviously, rape is the answer.

That'll show em.

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Honestly, I'm just surprised that transsexuality is emerging that young in people.

Yeah....

The parents of a transgender 6-year-old

I wonder where the kid got that idea from?

Totally with you, by the way.

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I agree. This may be the first time I have ever agreed with you. I mean, seriously, even if he really does feel like he should have been a different gender at that age, I can't really believe that a kid should be that utterly sure of his own sexual identity when he's freaking six. He should at least wait until puberty. He may have grown out of it by that time.

Or... more likely... said child may enjoy testosterone. I'd hesitate to declare the child's gender now that it's been thrown up in the air... and at the moment, I'd defer to what the child is supposedly claiming (she).

Gender isn't necessarily set in stone, but I like to respect the gender of others enough to go with their call... nonetheless, one can't help but wonder now.

Hehe... I'm reminded of when I was like, 5... and out on a skiff, my eldest brother told me that my seasickness was morning sickness, and I told him 'you must be right, I'm pregnant'.



But then... I was also cutting the penis off of Ken when I was 6, so there may infact be something to this

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I think I gotta side with the OP on this one.

I'm curious about how a 6 year old came to question their own sexuality at such a young age. I mean, I might be talking out my ass here, but at 6 I wasn't wondering about my sexuality or gender. I was wondering how to stop the excessive bleeding from my Stretch Armstrong. It just seems a little...off...for someone that young to be considering topics of gender without outside influence (i.e. the parents).

Or rape. I dunno... there's something about seeing a man's penis that makes one a little curious.

I was giving consensual blowjobs by my eighth birthday, doesn't seem completely unreasonable to me that (perhaps given certain conditions) someone might consider gender/sexuality by 6... certainly, it would not be such a fully-thought through understanding as that of someone thirty and aging... but it's wholly possible that the basic forms of this understanding (am I a girl? I really like boys) could occur by six.

Ultimately... if this child isn't a girl, they're probably a little bit gay

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See, I understand why you hate gay people. But, an atheist has no recourse to base that hatred on the Bible, as you do. I'm curious to see what makes an atheist justify arbitrary discrimination against gay people.

It's icky.

Justified.

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Regardless of my opinion on whether a kid is transgender at the age of six (although, for the record, I don't find it improbable), I think it's despicable that children at that age are being sexualized. If a little kid, who happens to have a penis, wants to wear dresses, play with dolls, and feels more comfortable going to the little girls' room instead of the boys... where there are stalls (ferfucksake), what's the big deal? Making a thing out of it ("it" meaning, I guess, nudity? What are they concerned about, really?) sexualizes kids when they're far too young to understand what sex is.

Oh, I think that they can grasp 'what sex is' readily enough... we're talking about beings that can grasp simple mathematics and language and social skills. If a cow of any age can understand 'what sex is': a child of six certainly can.

Note... not that they necessarily should, but the potential is larger than you seem to give them credit for. I think when I was six, me and my sister had a short session of looking at each others' privates... and I for one was startled that they weren't the same. Wasn't until I started seeing boy's privates that I became really confused and concerned

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I am not sure what the issue is. Don't they know that the lines to the boys room are much shorter?

But seriously, if a kid decides he is feeling pretty old, and puts on a grey wig and stuff, and goes to a movie theater and demands the pensioner price, he can probably play dress up all he wants, but that does not change his status as a minor. And if the school has a rule that boys use the lav with "boys" written on it, then it doesn't matter if you play dress up or not, you stick with the rules, work with the system, or go someplace where they are devoid of such rules. And I can put on black face, but I still won't get the special Ethiopian discount for medical school here.

Are we on about that arbitrary age line bullshit? Nah, surely we're completely past that level of asinine retardation by now.

Because being a girl and using the boys room has anything to do with dressing up? If indeed the child in question *is* transsexual, then she doesn't apply to the given rule, and the parents have every right to complain that their little girl is being sent to the boys' lavatory.

I mean... wouldn't you express some concern if your little girl was being ordered away from the girl's room and into the little soldier's room instead?

This is an opportunity for the parents to teach about rules and boundries, rather than teach that there aren't any.

Alternately... this is an opportunity to teach about *sensible* rules and boundaries vs *non-sensible* rules and boundaries... both of which exist in this world aplenty. A rule stating you wear your shoes on your head is no less ridiculous than one which sends girls into boys restrooms... it's simply not done

So one wonders why it is allowed here

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I'm of the opinion that social rules and boundaries are often so arbitrary that they should not only be broken, but exploded. Kids should change the rules, no blindly abide by them.

And yet one more person observes how it is that religious instruction manages to get to children so well

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If she says she's a girl, then she is a girl, regardless of biology...or at least that's what was argued to me in another thread.

If she says she's a girl, she's probably a girl. People at that age can undergo rapid and massive changes, so she may not always be a girl... but evidence suggests that either she's a girl, or she's a gay boy

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And here's something I've just noticed: Where are our resident transsexuals? VLB and Tara should probably be putting their 2 cents in, because, quite frankly, since everyone in this discussion (at least as far as I know) seems to be okay with the set of genitalia we were born with, we're clearly in the dark.

You know... work, and stuff. Part time, but glad to have it. Work and video games and something about a phone on a recovery loop.

I wouldn't say 'in the dark', because your experiences involving your genitalia are real, valid, and observable experiences by which you've formed your various conjecture. Me, I've just had a different, more consistently negative experience with mine.

Honest, genitalia *really* doesn't matter much (if at all?) by that age... and prepubescent observations of gender are more an attempt to hem our children into out own images than anything else. Girl or boy... doesn't really matter at all at that age, it's a person. I, for one, am more interested in them expressing themselves (within some wide-reaching social constraints (not shitting on someone in public)) than in them expressing their similarities to a group of people.

Unfortunately, they're going to compare themselves to people regardless... and if most of the girls they know are more like them than most of the boys they know, it's wholly valid for them to rationalize this by believing that they are one and the same (if you're going to keep dichotomizing children as boys and girls, there will be consequences... and this is one of them).