Colorado parents of transgender 1st-grader file complaint over restroom ban

[Violet]

I'm not making an argument here, but I rather suspect that the idea that this separation of private spaces is simply a reflection of a prudish and immature society is a gross and inaccurate simplification. I have no idea what the science says on the question, but I rather suspect that the call to "abandon" our worries about exposing our nudity to either the public or members of the opposite sex (orientation, whatever) is less motivated by actual science and knowledge as much as it is by political or sexual ideology.

It's very likely that there is a human 'need' for privacy (of an extent), my concern is that people who are quite comfortable with their body and it's functions have to deal over-much with the sensibilities of those who would be offended by it ('so you're offended, so fucking what?'-fry). Some people are rather exhibitionistic... I wonder, that had I been born cis, if I would have been such a person.

I've argued that the likes of clothing reinforce feelings of shame (and they do) in some people... but so would visible hard-ons, or visibly hardening nipples and 'seeping' liquids. Really, I think there's some subjective terrain here, that is ruthelessly painted over with a single brush of 'what is culturally acceptable' and not (example, until 'recently': kissing one's homosexual lover in public may have been considered grossly culturally unacceptable). We can't really know where the political and cultural viewpoints on 'bathrooming' or public nudity (or even fucking in public) might end up in 20, 50, 100, 1000 years...

I guess I've come to the end of my rant. It came out more pear shaped than I had envisioned, but fuck it. I have places to be.
I may get a second opinion, but I'm worried that I'm not meeting my quota for raping straight-women in public restrooms.

gtg.

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TEGH, it is not unlikely. Those gaps are massive in some places. I accidentally see shit all the time. I also suggest logic courses become mandatory for people who are going to pretend they know how to debate formally in this forum.

Because a course in logic is going to make a nonlogical person suddenly logical? Not saying they wouldn't learn anything from it... but it's funny to me.

Anyway: structural problems with bathrooms. I've been uncomfortable about them for *years*, changing in the men's locker room (inside the stall, always), or using the men's and women's restrooms. I'll typically find me the stall with the gap at an odd angle from the toilet.

Has nothing to do with the gender, penises or vaginas or other people in the room... it's just horrid structural design, and it would be a minimal cost to do a better job.

Whateverist, I am savaging no one. I have no emotional horse in this race and do not care even remotely what other people think about it. It is highly unlikely that my preferred bathroom arrangement is going to change, so what do I have to be savage about?

Well... you're current bathroom arrangement already has transwomen in it (pre-op ones). It also has people infected with various STIs in it, sitting on the same toilet's you're going to be sitting on.

Of the two 'issues(?)', I'd consider the latter far more concerning, especially given the apparent unsanitary conditions of said bathroom. Heaven's forbid you grab the handle of the door with your digets, and touch your face near your mouth afterwards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkPNXRaAHG0

Or more likely, herpes

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So what are you saying .. you and Violet won't be mud wrestling then? *sighs with disappointment*

Not till I have a vagina of my own... but after the scars heal, I'm totally down for it

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When you are post-op, you have the equipment for the ladies room. You're penis is not going to confuse anyone. Again, if you go back to my objections, it was about making it the norm for men to follow women into bathrooms and vice versa. I should point out the rape thing was not even at all my objection. It was a side note and I keep seeing it.

I have 'the equipment' for the ladies room right now... I've got a shitter, and I've got a urethra. Why do I need to have an additional hole for the explicit purpose of being fucked... to be considered 'ready to use the women's bathroom'? Why does someone need a shlong to use a stall in the men's room?

My penis is not going to confuse anyone, Shell... since nobody is going to be seeing it. And even if they did see it, and it did confuse them: why would their confusion matter? Are they going to hurt themselves in their confusion? A person might be an obvious girl from head to toe, with the only exception on her body being a small difference at the crotch... a person might be an obvious man from head to toe, with the only exception on his body being a small difference at the crotch: why does this tiny difference outweigh the form/clothing/facial/personality differences between these two people? That's positively Freudian XD

Why would there be any problems with men 'following' women into bathrooms if rape or assault is not the issue? That's why you keep seeing it... because I (and I don't seem to be alone, here) don't understand what the issue is if it is not one of this, especially given that your earlier concern was one of 'safety' and 'harm'.

So, a tampon depository and tampon machine have nothing to do with genitals? As someone who has to use those things, I really beg to differ.

Have you ever had a nosebleed? Or bled rectally? As someone with a brother who has used them for his significant nosebleeds, I really beg to differ. As someone who has used them a few times with moderate rectal bleeding (used to be a 'habit' of mine to keep poop inside me for about a week), they work a lot better for me than having to just sit on the toilet an extra hour for it to heal up.

I think that the social expectation of tampons for only going in the vagina is ridiculous, and a major waste of tissue and toilet paper.