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Misconceptions of Christian theology
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RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology
(March 5, 2013 at 3:31 pm)jstrodel Wrote: Well, God withdrew his hand from blessing the human race when it left the garden, whether you take this literally or not, there was a point in human history in which humanity became separate from God. So, it is true that God could have built a semiconductor plant in the ancient world and created all the requisite technology necessary to care for the laptops that would be assembled, but that would substantially change the ancient world, and it would be harder to transmit. It also goes against the less supernatural age that happens after people leave the garden. What about countries that could not import laptops?

If God changes too many things, then the balance of free choices versus determined choices changes. God wants to allow different parts of different nations to be connected causally to him through sowing and reaping. He does not want to upset the causal balance too much, otherwise it will be like the end of the world. It is true that God could dramatically change the course of history, but the more things that God changes the more that people don't have free will. If God needs to build a semiconductor plant and a laptop assembly plant in every nation that can hear the Gospel as well as all of the roads and equipment and electrical equipment necessary, that is really going to change history a lot.

God works inside of history. He doesn't do things that are logically contradictory. God is the God of history.

Here is the interesting thing about this conversation: You can argue all you want that this is right, that is wrong and this is what god really means or wants us to do. It is all mental masturbation.

The fact is, since the bible is supposed to be the supreme, infallible word of god, if you discount ANY of the bible, then you are, by default, discounting all of the bible. By discounting any one thing, you have wiped out its base of infallibility and therefore, its origin as the word of god. At this point, it just becomes another story book.

Now, you can make arguments for different interpretations but in the end, what you end up doing is cherry-picking the parts you like and discounting or explaining away the parts you don't like.

So why do we atheists tend to go after the fundamentalists? Because we believe the ENTIRE bible is a work of fiction and carries no more weight than any other piece of literature. We try to address the book as a whole. When faced with cherry-picked verses, interpretations and theological mumbo-jumbo, it is like trying to disprove all of evolution by saying this single fossil is wrong. It is a battle won in a war that has no end. So, while we are more than ready to take on your single point argument, it is more effective to destabilize the foundation the argument is built upon.

In other words, it is easier to take down the whole structure at once rather than tear it apart brick by brick.
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." -Einstein
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Misconceptions of Christian theology - by jstrodel - March 4, 2013 at 11:28 pm
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by Minimalist - March 4, 2013 at 11:43 pm
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by jstrodel - March 4, 2013 at 11:56 pm
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by Esquilax - March 5, 2013 at 6:31 am
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by John V - March 5, 2013 at 5:39 pm
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by jstrodel - March 5, 2013 at 12:11 am
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by John V - March 5, 2013 at 9:10 am
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by jstrodel - March 5, 2013 at 2:02 pm
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by Aractus - March 6, 2013 at 9:58 am
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by Esquilax - March 6, 2013 at 10:03 pm
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by Jackalope - March 5, 2013 at 12:03 am
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by Aractus - March 5, 2013 at 6:36 am
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by jstrodel - March 5, 2013 at 1:51 pm
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by John V - March 5, 2013 at 2:01 pm
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by Aractus - March 6, 2013 at 5:45 am
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by LastPoet - March 6, 2013 at 8:48 am
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by Aractus - March 6, 2013 at 10:07 am
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by LastPoet - March 6, 2013 at 10:17 am
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by Aractus - March 7, 2013 at 3:12 am
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by Aractus - March 7, 2013 at 7:02 am
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by Esquilax - March 7, 2013 at 8:16 am
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by Aractus - March 7, 2013 at 8:54 am
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by Esquilax - March 7, 2013 at 9:26 am
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by John V - March 7, 2013 at 9:29 am
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by Esquilax - March 7, 2013 at 10:01 am
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by John V - March 7, 2013 at 1:48 pm
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by Esquilax - March 7, 2013 at 2:39 pm
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by John V - March 7, 2013 at 3:58 pm
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by LastPoet - March 7, 2013 at 7:07 am
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by Zen Badger - March 6, 2013 at 10:58 pm
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by frankiej - March 5, 2013 at 9:18 am
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by LastPoet - March 5, 2013 at 9:20 am
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by Esquilax - March 5, 2013 at 1:37 pm
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by jstrodel - March 5, 2013 at 1:44 pm
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by Esquilax - March 5, 2013 at 3:17 pm
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by jstrodel - March 5, 2013 at 3:31 pm
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by Baalzebutt - March 5, 2013 at 3:55 pm
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by jstrodel - March 5, 2013 at 5:56 pm
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by John V - March 5, 2013 at 3:04 pm
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by catfish - March 6, 2013 at 11:30 am
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by John V - March 6, 2013 at 11:58 am
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by catfish - March 7, 2013 at 7:36 pm
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by jstrodel - March 5, 2013 at 6:13 pm
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by genkaus - March 5, 2013 at 7:22 pm
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by Whateverist - March 6, 2013 at 11:45 am
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by jstrodel - March 6, 2013 at 10:43 pm
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by Ryantology - March 6, 2013 at 11:00 pm
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by Angrboda - March 7, 2013 at 3:17 pm
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by jstrodel - March 7, 2013 at 5:25 pm
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by ronedee - March 7, 2013 at 12:00 am
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by Esquilax - March 7, 2013 at 12:08 am
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by ronedee - March 7, 2013 at 12:35 am
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by LastPoet - March 6, 2013 at 11:45 am
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by jstrodel - March 7, 2013 at 2:50 pm
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by Esquilax - March 7, 2013 at 2:59 pm
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by Lion IRC - March 9, 2013 at 2:15 am
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by jstrodel - March 9, 2013 at 2:42 pm
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by Esquilax - March 9, 2013 at 3:34 pm
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by jstrodel - March 9, 2013 at 4:59 pm
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by EGross - March 9, 2013 at 4:21 pm
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by John V - March 10, 2013 at 9:03 am
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by EGross - March 10, 2013 at 11:58 am
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by Angrboda - March 10, 2013 at 6:52 pm
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by jstrodel - March 9, 2013 at 6:03 pm
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by Zen Badger - March 10, 2013 at 9:12 am
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by Esquilax - March 10, 2013 at 9:28 am
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by ThomM - March 10, 2013 at 9:15 am
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by Minimalist - March 10, 2013 at 2:09 pm
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by jstrodel - March 10, 2013 at 2:31 pm
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by EGross - March 10, 2013 at 2:59 pm
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by ThomM - March 10, 2013 at 7:59 pm
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by Esquilax - March 10, 2013 at 11:31 pm
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by jstrodel - March 10, 2013 at 3:02 pm
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by LastPoet - March 10, 2013 at 3:16 pm
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by Cyberman - March 10, 2013 at 8:52 pm
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by EGross - March 11, 2013 at 4:35 am
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by jstrodel - March 10, 2013 at 11:39 pm
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by Cyberman - March 10, 2013 at 11:48 pm
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by Esquilax - March 10, 2013 at 11:54 pm
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by Ryantology - March 11, 2013 at 12:19 am
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by jstrodel - March 11, 2013 at 12:29 am
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by Esquilax - March 11, 2013 at 12:52 am
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by Ryantology - March 11, 2013 at 1:01 am
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by Cyberman - March 11, 2013 at 12:47 am
RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology - by Minimalist - March 11, 2013 at 11:40 am

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