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Is the catholic church a force for good?
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RE: Is the catholic church a force for good?
So if a Catholic lies ("No honey, that dress does NOT make you look fat") and never fesses up to it, he is not a true Christian and will suffer for that after death.

Man, being a decent husband is a bitch for a Catholic! Or there really aren't any, and therefore they are atheists, but don't even know it, according to Lion. Which makes it easy to distance oneself from all of the theives, murderers, pediphiles, liars, and what-have-you who run or have run the Catholic Church heirarchy. And since the Pope passivley or actively supported it, they have, in reality, been without a Pope since Peter lost his keys.

There is a difference between the dogma of a Cathoolic and the beliefs of an atheist, which is a misdirect and something I tried to address to Muslim scholar.

When a Catholic believes that using a condom, not lying to his wife about her weight, divorce, and the myriad of other prohibitions are edicts that must be obeyed or suffer some torment in an afterlife, that is slavery. It is not just slavery to a god made in the image of man, but of the religious heirarchy as well, which has repeatedly been exposed of abusing its power and its youth.

When an atheis believes that there is no supernatural mythology, that does not create a slave, but releases him or her. I am free to give without looking forward to points in the afterlife (the more points, the better the mansion, as one nun explained it to me as a kid). I am free to eat meat on Friday (ok, it's not a sin anymore, but imagine those poor bastards who are still burnning for that one!), if I were an abused woman, I would be free to divorce that creep and not fear eternal damnation. Yes, the Church is more about putting the fear of not-god in the world, influencing governments and demanding their fealty (not so much these days, but they still get special perks), in enslaving a god-view to the world that the Church heirarchy itself cannot keep. Coming from a Jewish heritage, my view of the Catholic Church is one where it's foundation is built with the blood and bones of my genetic ancestors. And a Church that admittedly still have some of our stuff (they recently loaned Israel a stolen hand-written copy of the Rambam that has not been seen for centuries, if ever, under the condition that they give it back after looking it over and copying it. They got more stuff).

Has the Church been a force for good? Yup. Have they been a force for the greatest of evils? Yes. Now, does good erase evil? Never. Does evil taint the good? Always.

The problem for the Catholic is like growing up with a drunken abusive father. You don't want to talk about it, but you show eveyone the nice shiny bike he got you. And you'll ride it as soon as the cast comes off ("I tripped").
“I've done everything the Bible says — even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff!"— Ned Flanders
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Is the catholic church a force for good? - by justin - February 27, 2013 at 1:09 am
RE: Is the catholic church a force for good? - by Minimalist - February 27, 2013 at 1:18 am
RE: Is the catholic church a force for good? - by justin - February 27, 2013 at 1:23 am
RE: Is the catholic church a force for good? - by Nobody - February 27, 2013 at 1:33 am
RE: Is the catholic church a force for good? - by justin - February 27, 2013 at 1:37 am
RE: Is the catholic church a force for good? - by Lion IRC - February 27, 2013 at 2:01 am
RE: Is the catholic church a force for good? - by justin - February 27, 2013 at 2:24 am
RE: Is the catholic church a force for good? - by Lion IRC - February 27, 2013 at 10:32 pm
RE: Is the catholic church a force for good? - by Esquilax - February 28, 2013 at 3:40 am
RE: Is the catholic church a force for good? - by Ryantology - February 27, 2013 at 2:30 am
RE: Is the catholic church a force for good? - by Minimalist - February 27, 2013 at 2:45 am
RE: Is the catholic church a force for good? - by EGross - February 27, 2013 at 3:09 am
RE: Is the catholic church a force for good? - by Zen Badger - February 27, 2013 at 8:13 am
RE: Is the catholic church a force for good? - by Napoléon - February 27, 2013 at 8:17 am
RE: Is the catholic church a force for good? - by Minimalist - February 27, 2013 at 11:06 pm
RE: Is the catholic church a force for good? - by EGross - February 28, 2013 at 3:42 am
RE: Is the catholic church a force for good? - by justin - March 5, 2013 at 11:27 pm
RE: Is the catholic church a force for good? - by EGross - March 6, 2013 at 2:50 am
RE: Is the catholic church a force for good? - by Tonus - March 15, 2013 at 10:04 pm
RE: Is the catholic church a force for good? - by Tonus - March 17, 2013 at 1:28 am
RE: Is the catholic church a force for good? - by Lion IRC - March 18, 2013 at 12:03 am
RE: Is the catholic church a force for good? - by justin - March 18, 2013 at 12:45 am
RE: Is the catholic church a force for good? - by Tonus - March 18, 2013 at 6:27 am
RE: Is the catholic church a force for good? - by Lion IRC - March 18, 2013 at 10:13 pm
RE: Is the catholic church a force for good? - by Tonus - March 19, 2013 at 5:43 am
RE: Is the catholic church a force for good? - by Cato - March 17, 2013 at 1:59 am
RE: Is the catholic church a force for good? - by ThomM - March 16, 2013 at 6:50 pm
RE: Is the catholic church a force for good? - by Lion IRC - March 19, 2013 at 10:43 pm
RE: Is the catholic church a force for good? - by Tonus - March 20, 2013 at 5:46 am
RE: Is the catholic church a force for good? - by Lion IRC - March 19, 2013 at 11:45 pm

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