(March 7, 2013 at 7:02 am)Aractus Wrote: Your so-called observations don't apply in the real world. For instance why does the Queen Bee still function as a bee, how come evolution didn't make it a stationary form unable to fly and less burdensome on the hive? Shouldn't it have stopped evolving and resemble whatever bees evolved from more than its fellow "worker" bees?
Because evolution isn't a steady selection of upgrades, nor does it tend toward efficiency, and nor does it stop, whatever that means. Evolution encompasses less than advantageous traits too; the upright posture that allows humans the range of motion that we have, for example, leaves us with spinal nerves that are still set up for hunched forward, quadrupedal motion, leading to numerous back problems in our species.
Now, in regards to bees specifically, I don't know, but it sounds interesting. I'll actually take a look when I have the time and report back what I find.
Quote:BTW what's better for the individual does nothing to help the species as a whole. Why do you think penguins huddle to keep warm? The "selfish gene" would want to be the penguin in the middle that never goes to the outside of the huddle, that would be the best way to survive, that should win out in competing against the rest of the penguins, shouldn't it? Yet what we consistently observe is that every penguin selflessly spends the same amount of time on the outside in the freezing cold as every other one, so much for the selfish gene! There are forces at play that counteract "selfish" behaviour of individuals.
Can you stop with the selfish gene talk, please? Nobody here is mentioning it but you.
Beyond that, I think you're still missing the point; what's advantageous for the individual, assuming it allows for a greater survivability, sculpts what happens to the species, albeit in miniscule ways. Evolution has no tendency toward helping a species survive, just look at all the extinct animals for proof of that.
Besides, herd behavior has an evolutionary advantage too; it's how the human species rose to become the dominant one on the planet, in a manner of speaking. Groups that help one another survive longer, and specific individuals that go against that and damage the group generally don't get to breed. In this way, the selfless behavior that allows for the group to survive is selected for.
Quote:You have the extreme selfish behaviour seen in the Cuckoo bird - as soon as it is born, and while it's still blind, the chick will push all the other eggs out of the nest and then even push any other chicks out of the nest too!
You seem to have forgotten that most species of Cuckoo are brood parasites; the chicks its pushing out of the nest aren't other Cuckoos. This behavior is certainly advantageous to the survival of the Cuckoo, although of course, being a parasite, it's disadvantageous to the other birds. How is this inconsistent with evolutionary theory?
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