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For People Who Think There Was No Historical Jesus
RE: For People Who Think There Was No Historical Jesus
(March 10, 2013 at 8:29 am)EGross Wrote: The Moshiach ben Yosef thing is weird in that there is only 1 reference to that in all of early rabbinical work (Mesechta Sukkah, 52b), and it speaks of one who will mislead people and will die, and people will mourn his death for the realization of the deception will come upon them.

It was originally a metaphor for all false messiahs,
and then the Kabbalists got hold of it and then it sort of got absorbed into jewish philosophy, and the Christians, who if they knew the real meaning, would stop trying to refer to the first coming of Jesus as the ben Yosef,

ROFLOL

(March 10, 2013 at 8:29 am)EGross Wrote: But since Boaz slept with Ruth, obviously he meant to marry her, too bad he died right after the had sex, and since he was a Judge, a later generation (after Judges) cannot undo the rulings of the previous, then it must be ok.

Or, in reality, somehow David got to be King, God said so, and so retroactively there must be a reason why it was ok.

Ah, yes - Retroactive Continuity which is usually shortened to Retcon. It's still used today.

Quote:"Comic book fans will be familiar with the term 'retcon', which in layman's terms means that the writer waves his hand and tells you 'Remember when we said this? We screwed up, forget about that.'"

(March 10, 2013 at 8:29 am)EGross Wrote: So whe you hear of Messianism (Chabad is probably the worst cult in that respect), yeah, it's about "son of David", or his genetic heir, a paternal link through blood. And since Jesus didn't have a Jewish father, this whole thimg makes you go...

If the original religious movement about Jesus was Jewish, the followers wouldn't have had this problem. We only know what was reported about Ebionite beliefs but this article from the Jewish Encyclopedia sums everything up.

Quote:Sect of Judæo-Christians of the second to the fourth century. They believed in the Messianic character of Jesus, but denied his divinity and supernatural origin;

I found a modern movement which appears to have had a go at reconstructing the Ebionite Movement.
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RE: For People Who Think There Was No Historical Jesus - by Confused Ape - March 10, 2013 at 9:22 am

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