RE: Misconceptions of Christian theology
March 10, 2013 at 7:59 pm
(This post was last modified: March 10, 2013 at 8:12 pm by ThomM.)
I have something better than proof, I am a witness.
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AND that claim is MEANINGLESS - simply no better than the ramblings of a con man going after a mark.
WE have such claims from every religious group - tens of thousands of claims like that.
THEY are - much like the so called near death experiences - of absolutely no use.
WHY?
Because they do not all see the same god. Since the claims of religions contradict each other - they cannot all exist - so they cannot all be true.
And - since they cannot all be true - we can reject any that are offered without the ability to test and verify the "witnessing".
So your claim is rejected.
up about Heidi Baker or John G Lake.
I have seen miracles in my own life. They are real.
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Indeed - there are what humans consider to be "miracles" happening everyday.
Humans have conquered LOTS of diseases that - in the past - would be considered a miracle. No doubt the Great Pyramid has been called a miracle - and certainly Space Travel would be beyond miraculous.
THe problem is - there is NO way for you to claim that the miracles in your own life had anything to do with a deity -or were simply another example of chance. THAT is because your personal experiences are NOT a representative sample of the experiences of the general populations of humans. When you add your own claimed experiences with a thousands of others humans in a representative sample of humanity - turns out that your claims are not anything beyond chance.
THAT is why there has NEVER been a study - using a representative sample of the population of a country - much less the world - - and published in a recognized scientific peer reviewed journal - that shows that prayer has ANY result beyond chance. Religion depend on the "heartfelt" but ultimately unauthoritative claims of single humans - as a "proof" of their claims - but such statements are not proof. ANd often - these proofs are also parlor tricks and frauds (Like the wheelchair person who can walk - every weekend on cue from that pastor in a different place)
Example
Sick People LIVE because whatever ailment they have is unable to overcome the natural defenses their bodies have - which is different for different people. THAT is the explanation - it is NOT a miracle that someone did not die from a disease that MOST people die from - it is chance.
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AND that claim is MEANINGLESS - simply no better than the ramblings of a con man going after a mark.
WE have such claims from every religious group - tens of thousands of claims like that.
THEY are - much like the so called near death experiences - of absolutely no use.
WHY?
Because they do not all see the same god. Since the claims of religions contradict each other - they cannot all exist - so they cannot all be true.
And - since they cannot all be true - we can reject any that are offered without the ability to test and verify the "witnessing".
So your claim is rejected.
up about Heidi Baker or John G Lake.
I have seen miracles in my own life. They are real.
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Indeed - there are what humans consider to be "miracles" happening everyday.
Humans have conquered LOTS of diseases that - in the past - would be considered a miracle. No doubt the Great Pyramid has been called a miracle - and certainly Space Travel would be beyond miraculous.
THe problem is - there is NO way for you to claim that the miracles in your own life had anything to do with a deity -or were simply another example of chance. THAT is because your personal experiences are NOT a representative sample of the experiences of the general populations of humans. When you add your own claimed experiences with a thousands of others humans in a representative sample of humanity - turns out that your claims are not anything beyond chance.
THAT is why there has NEVER been a study - using a representative sample of the population of a country - much less the world - - and published in a recognized scientific peer reviewed journal - that shows that prayer has ANY result beyond chance. Religion depend on the "heartfelt" but ultimately unauthoritative claims of single humans - as a "proof" of their claims - but such statements are not proof. ANd often - these proofs are also parlor tricks and frauds (Like the wheelchair person who can walk - every weekend on cue from that pastor in a different place)
Example
Sick People LIVE because whatever ailment they have is unable to overcome the natural defenses their bodies have - which is different for different people. THAT is the explanation - it is NOT a miracle that someone did not die from a disease that MOST people die from - it is chance.
