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Consciousness & Space-Time
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RE: Consciousness & Space-Time
(March 11, 2013 at 12:29 am)apophenia Wrote: I pointed out that the evidence for this infallible dimension of consciousness could not come from consciousness' own opinion of itself, but he ignored that objection and suggested that consciousness could not be mistake about, say, the brute fact that it is "experiencing" pain.
First, you have merely stated that infallible evidence cannot come from consciousness itself. That itself is a judgement of consciousness that could be fallible. Your statement cannot be proven one way or the other, it's an assertion, nothing more.

Second, the "brute fact" of sensation is different from opinions formed about why we have sensations, etc. You have moved the goal post to an area you feel safe defending. Sensation is a form of primal knowledge.

The contra-factual is that sensations are not knowledge. If that is the case them you have no content with which to build knowledge and thus no knowledge could be had, including the belief that sensations are not primal knowledge. However, since knowledge is possible, then the idea that sensations are primal knowledge is an indispensable axiom.

(March 11, 2013 at 9:14 am)FallentoReason Wrote: ...Being born thick wasn't my choice, geez.
Don't be concerned, its not your fault. A true sign of intelligence and mastery of a subject is the ability to explain things clearly to laymen.
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Consciousness & Space-Time - by FallentoReason - March 10, 2013 at 11:52 pm
RE: Consciousness & Space-Time - by MysticKnight - March 11, 2013 at 12:02 am
RE: Consciousness & Space-Time - by FallentoReason - March 11, 2013 at 12:07 am
RE: Consciousness & Space-Time - by MysticKnight - March 11, 2013 at 12:11 am
RE: Consciousness & Space-Time - by Angrboda - March 11, 2013 at 12:29 am
RE: Consciousness & Space-Time - by Neo-Scholastic - March 11, 2013 at 11:11 am
RE: Consciousness & Space-Time - by Angrboda - March 11, 2013 at 1:04 pm
RE: Consciousness & Space-Time - by Whateverist - March 11, 2013 at 12:58 am
RE: Consciousness & Space-Time - by Angrboda - March 11, 2013 at 1:42 am
RE: Consciousness & Space-Time - by FallentoReason - March 11, 2013 at 2:29 am
RE: Consciousness & Space-Time - by Angrboda - March 11, 2013 at 2:41 am
RE: Consciousness & Space-Time - by FallentoReason - March 11, 2013 at 2:51 am
RE: Consciousness & Space-Time - by Angrboda - March 11, 2013 at 3:20 am
RE: Consciousness & Space-Time - by Whateverist - March 11, 2013 at 2:13 pm
RE: Consciousness & Space-Time - by FallentoReason - March 11, 2013 at 4:43 am
RE: Consciousness & Space-Time - by pocaracas - March 11, 2013 at 7:17 am
RE: Consciousness & Space-Time - by FallentoReason - March 11, 2013 at 9:14 am
RE: Consciousness & Space-Time - by Neo-Scholastic - March 11, 2013 at 2:14 pm
RE: Consciousness & Space-Time - by downbeatplumb - March 11, 2013 at 2:35 pm
RE: Consciousness & Space-Time - by Angrboda - March 11, 2013 at 3:03 pm
RE: Consciousness & Space-Time - by Neo-Scholastic - March 11, 2013 at 5:18 pm
RE: Consciousness & Space-Time - by Angrboda - March 11, 2013 at 9:05 pm
RE: Consciousness & Space-Time - by Neo-Scholastic - March 11, 2013 at 11:32 pm
RE: Consciousness & Space-Time - by Muslim Scholar - March 13, 2013 at 2:10 am

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