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Objective Morals+
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RE: Objective Morals+
(March 11, 2013 at 5:05 pm)John V Wrote:
(March 11, 2013 at 4:35 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: I'm sorry. Do I really need to explain why "might makes right" is morally bankrupt?
Yes.

Ah, OK then.

Might-makes-right is not a moral evaluation. In fact, it avoids discussing morality completely through appeals to authority or appeals to fear. I trust you're familiar with how both of these appeals are logical fallacies, right?

Might-makes-right instead focuses on power. Those who have the guns (or gold, or supernatural powers, or whatever) can make arbitrary decisions on what is declared to be "right" or "wrong" without any deliberation or consideration of what really IS right or wrong. This approach dispenses with any true considerations of morality and so is morally bankrupt.

Holding the moral judgment of any ruler, divine or mortal, above any question or inspection is also morally bankrupt. If you can't or won't question the morality of the god you worship, how can you be sure that you aren't unwittingly serving The Devil?

Quote:No, as my last satement in the quote above says, the moral judgment is still subjective. I'm just suggesting that more people might agree with God if they had his knowledge.

So morality can be discovered then with sufficient knowledge? If so, then morality still exists outside of and independent of God. By this worldview, God doesn't decide what is moral but rather makes wise judgments about what is moral, judgments that anyone else might hypothetically make.
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Messages In This Thread
Objective Morals+ - by FallentoReason - March 11, 2013 at 12:38 am
RE: Objective Morals+ - by John V - March 11, 2013 at 12:24 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by Darkstar - March 11, 2013 at 4:13 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by Ryantology - March 11, 2013 at 12:34 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by ideologue08 - March 11, 2013 at 12:35 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by DeistPaladin - March 11, 2013 at 1:05 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by ideologue08 - March 11, 2013 at 1:33 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by DeistPaladin - March 11, 2013 at 3:56 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by John V - March 11, 2013 at 4:12 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by DeistPaladin - March 11, 2013 at 4:35 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by John V - March 11, 2013 at 5:05 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by DeistPaladin - March 11, 2013 at 5:17 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by Whateverist - March 13, 2013 at 10:50 am
RE: Objective Morals+ - by Napoléon - March 11, 2013 at 1:18 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by ideologue08 - March 11, 2013 at 1:27 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by Something completely different - March 11, 2013 at 1:32 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by Napoléon - March 11, 2013 at 1:34 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by ideologue08 - March 11, 2013 at 1:37 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by Something completely different - March 11, 2013 at 1:39 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by Napoléon - March 11, 2013 at 5:21 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by CleanShavenJesus - March 11, 2013 at 5:08 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by Ryantology - March 11, 2013 at 6:34 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by TromboneAtheist - March 11, 2013 at 5:14 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by John V - March 12, 2013 at 8:07 am
RE: Objective Morals+ - by DeistPaladin - March 12, 2013 at 8:40 am
RE: Objective Morals+ - by John V - March 12, 2013 at 9:41 am
RE: Objective Morals+ - by DeistPaladin - March 12, 2013 at 10:18 am
RE: Objective Morals+ - by John V - March 12, 2013 at 11:37 am
RE: Objective Morals+ - by DeistPaladin - March 12, 2013 at 12:08 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by John V - March 12, 2013 at 1:00 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by DeistPaladin - March 12, 2013 at 2:50 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by John V - March 12, 2013 at 3:41 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by DeistPaladin - March 12, 2013 at 4:28 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by John V - March 12, 2013 at 4:55 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by Ryantology - March 12, 2013 at 10:43 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by Jackalope - March 12, 2013 at 10:52 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by DeistPaladin - March 12, 2013 at 10:50 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by John V - March 13, 2013 at 8:23 am
RE: Objective Morals+ - by DeistPaladin - March 13, 2013 at 9:34 am
RE: Objective Morals+ - by John V - March 13, 2013 at 12:28 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by DeistPaladin - March 13, 2013 at 1:00 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by John V - March 13, 2013 at 1:14 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by DeistPaladin - March 13, 2013 at 1:26 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by The Grand Nudger - March 12, 2013 at 4:34 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by Ryantology - March 12, 2013 at 11:50 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by The Grand Nudger - March 13, 2013 at 12:19 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by John V - March 13, 2013 at 4:12 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by CleanShavenJesus - March 13, 2013 at 4:16 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by DeistPaladin - March 13, 2013 at 4:28 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by John V - March 13, 2013 at 4:55 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by DeistPaladin - March 13, 2013 at 5:15 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by John V - March 13, 2013 at 6:38 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by DeistPaladin - March 13, 2013 at 7:05 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by John V - March 13, 2013 at 8:02 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by DeistPaladin - March 13, 2013 at 8:57 pm

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