Objective Morals+

[DeistPaladin]

Not necessarily. As already explained, one could subjectively choose an ordered system of morality, so it would be simplistic to say anything goes.

You keep going back and forth on this, running up and down the field.

How is saying, "you can't prove one system is more valid" (what you said below) different from "anything goes" (what you deny saying, see above)?

You can’t prove that one is more sound than the other. As they differ, I don’t see that “all equal” is correct wording.

You're quibbling over semantics.

In one breath, you say subjective morality doesn't mean "anything goes". In another, you seem to be all "gee whiz, a king likes molesting children and Trombone Atheist disapproves and who can say which system is more valid"?

No, as already noted, you incorrectly drew this from my statement by ignoring qualifiers.

The qualifiers were irrelevant.

When dealing with what is possible, qualifiers like "more", "might", "most" or even "few" or "one" all allow for possibility.

Since the question deals with what is possible, your qualifiers do not rule it out.

4. Morality CAN'T be discovered with sufficient wisdom.

Correct.

...except when you say it can be.

I don’t know what =/= means.

"Does not equal"

I hold that you can’t prove one code to be correct and one incorrect.

So we're back to "anything goes"?

As already explained, one could subjectively choose an ordered system of morality, so it would be simplistic to say anything goes.

But you said, "as both are subjective" followed by "you cannot prove that your set is more sound than his."

So it's not that "anything goes"; it's just that anything goes. Got it.

Can you prove one or the other to be correct?

We can use moral philosophy to discuss logical arguments and objective data in order to determine who has the stronger position. So in that sense, yes.

So is morality something that can be discovered with sufficient knowledge or not?

As I’ve said before, no.

Except that you said before, yes.

I'm just suggesting that more people might agree with God if they had his knowledge.

So which is it?