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Objective Morals+
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RE: Objective Morals+
(March 12, 2013 at 4:55 pm)John V Wrote: Well, why don't you prove that Biblical morality is inferior to some other morality.

Oh, you've given me such an easy target that I don't know where to begin.

Should I start with the Bible's instructions on how to commit genocide and properly rape the sex slaves you take?

Or perhaps I should begin with prominent examples of genocide and infanticide in the Bible, as instructed by Moses himself?

How about the morality of your god's justice, where he punishes children for the sins of the parents, most famously that all women suffer for what Eve did?

But that's the OT, right? How about what the NT says about the no-brainer moral issue of slavery? Or royalty and dictatorship?

Whatever no-brainer moral issue you like to bring up, be it slavery, genocide, rape, torture, infanticide, dictatorship, incest, child-abuse, misogyny or persecution, the Bible manages to be on the wrong side of every single one. Far from being a timeless source of moral guidance that could only have come from our Creator, it contains the most frightening and repugnant guidelines that have no place in any civilized society.

If the Bible does have anything to teach us about morality, it's that human morality has evolved and progressed since it was written. While I find it disheartening that anyone can read this vile book and feel good about worshiping the monster that it calls a god, I do take great comfort that we've done a lot of growing up since it was penned and hope that we continue our positive moral evolution.

You see, all the moral issues in which the Bible fails, human civilization is succeeding. We've figured out that slavery and genocide are wrong and seek to end them. Given our trajectory, if we can survive our technological adolescence, future human civilization will look back on us with the same revulsion that we may look upon the barbarians that wrote the Bible.

I can go on but I'll give you the opportunity to object that I can't judge the Bible's morality as inferior since you'll predictably assert that I can't prove that rape, genocide or slavery are morally wrong and then I'll school you some more.
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Objective Morals+ - by FallentoReason - March 11, 2013 at 12:38 am
RE: Objective Morals+ - by John V - March 11, 2013 at 12:24 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by Darkstar - March 11, 2013 at 4:13 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by Ryantology - March 11, 2013 at 12:34 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by ideologue08 - March 11, 2013 at 12:35 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by DeistPaladin - March 11, 2013 at 1:05 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by ideologue08 - March 11, 2013 at 1:33 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by DeistPaladin - March 11, 2013 at 3:56 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by John V - March 11, 2013 at 4:12 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by DeistPaladin - March 11, 2013 at 4:35 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by John V - March 11, 2013 at 5:05 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by DeistPaladin - March 11, 2013 at 5:17 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by Whateverist - March 13, 2013 at 10:50 am
RE: Objective Morals+ - by Napoléon - March 11, 2013 at 1:18 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by ideologue08 - March 11, 2013 at 1:27 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by Something completely different - March 11, 2013 at 1:32 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by Napoléon - March 11, 2013 at 1:34 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by ideologue08 - March 11, 2013 at 1:37 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by Something completely different - March 11, 2013 at 1:39 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by Napoléon - March 11, 2013 at 5:21 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by CleanShavenJesus - March 11, 2013 at 5:08 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by Ryantology - March 11, 2013 at 6:34 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by TromboneAtheist - March 11, 2013 at 5:14 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by John V - March 12, 2013 at 8:07 am
RE: Objective Morals+ - by DeistPaladin - March 12, 2013 at 8:40 am
RE: Objective Morals+ - by John V - March 12, 2013 at 9:41 am
RE: Objective Morals+ - by DeistPaladin - March 12, 2013 at 10:18 am
RE: Objective Morals+ - by John V - March 12, 2013 at 11:37 am
RE: Objective Morals+ - by DeistPaladin - March 12, 2013 at 12:08 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by John V - March 12, 2013 at 1:00 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by DeistPaladin - March 12, 2013 at 2:50 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by John V - March 12, 2013 at 3:41 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by DeistPaladin - March 12, 2013 at 4:28 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by John V - March 12, 2013 at 4:55 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by Ryantology - March 12, 2013 at 10:43 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by Jackalope - March 12, 2013 at 10:52 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by DeistPaladin - March 12, 2013 at 10:50 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by John V - March 13, 2013 at 8:23 am
RE: Objective Morals+ - by DeistPaladin - March 13, 2013 at 9:34 am
RE: Objective Morals+ - by John V - March 13, 2013 at 12:28 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by DeistPaladin - March 13, 2013 at 1:00 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by John V - March 13, 2013 at 1:14 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by DeistPaladin - March 13, 2013 at 1:26 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by The Grand Nudger - March 12, 2013 at 4:34 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by Ryantology - March 12, 2013 at 11:50 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by The Grand Nudger - March 13, 2013 at 12:19 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by John V - March 13, 2013 at 4:12 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by CleanShavenJesus - March 13, 2013 at 4:16 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by DeistPaladin - March 13, 2013 at 4:28 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by John V - March 13, 2013 at 4:55 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by DeistPaladin - March 13, 2013 at 5:15 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by John V - March 13, 2013 at 6:38 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by DeistPaladin - March 13, 2013 at 7:05 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by John V - March 13, 2013 at 8:02 pm
RE: Objective Morals+ - by DeistPaladin - March 13, 2013 at 8:57 pm

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