Objective Morals+

[Whateverist]

I would note that an omniscient creator god would have better information at his disposal on which to make judgments. In the end, though, it's his subjective judgment.

It sounds like you're advocating for option #2, that God has such wisdom and knowledge as to evaluate each situation and the character to make the right conclusion in his/her/its moral evaluation. So God evaluates that something is good because it is good.

That being the case, good is good with or without God saying so. Good would continue to be good if God were to ever not say so, or go away, or say otherwise, or turn out never to have existed. Right?

(Right.) I think this must be the position of any reasonable theist. If life is a test for morals then I suspect theists must believe that they can short cut actually developing their own capacity for moral judgment by sneaking a peek into the bible. It is like they are sneaking a peek at the test paper of the smartest kid in the universe, God. Or perhaps they believe this smartest kid is whispering the answer in their ear when they pray?

I wonder if any theists hold the position that it is morally better not to look for help from the smartest kid in the world. Do any theists here believe that there is merit in doing the best you can and suffering the consequences or am I just being terribly old fashioned here?

I guess what I really want to know is if any theist actually think their god wants them to develop their own moral judgment .. or did He design you to remain forever dependent upon himself? Which kind of sky-parent do you suppose you have, the stage mother who mouths the answers to you -or- the kind who encourages you to jump into his arms but then lets you fall just to teach you to be more self-reliant?