Objective Morals+

[DeistPaladin]

I noticed you've said nothing to defend the Bible on any of the disturbing verses and no-brainer issues like its prescription of how to properly rape your sex slaves. You want to talk about "basic moral issues" there you go.

I noted that rape is part of the natural order.

...and that's your idea of defending the Bible's morality?

Take some advice: you were better off dodging the issue.

The natural order is apparently a valid basis for morality when you think it supports your position, but it's not valid when it goes against your opinion. Go figure.

I've already told you I didn't say that and you distorted what I'd said. The first strawman might be a misunderstanding or just sloppiness. Now that we're on a repeated strawman, it's a sign of dishonesty on your part.

You made arguments on morality on a social contract basis. My point is that you didn't support that a social contract approach is more moral than any other. You later brought in the harm principle and natural order as bases for morality. Same problem. Yes, you can reason WITHIN any one of these, but you can't show that any one of them (or any ad hoc mixture, as you use) is the correct system.

Actually, I think I did. But at least you finally offered a counter-argument. That is, if you consider "nuh-uh" to be a counter-argument.

Yes, that's certainly a big part of it. You are disingenuous to now act as if it's a minor side issue.

Really? Here are the no-brainer issues I brought up discussing Biblical morality:

Whatever no-brainer moral issue you like to bring up, be it slavery, genocide, rape, torture, infanticide, dictatorship, incest, child-abuse, misogyny or persecution, the Bible manages to be on the wrong side of every single one. Far from being a timeless source of moral guidance that could only have come from our Creator, it contains the most frightening and repugnant guidelines that have no place in any civilized society.

Where in my list of no-brainer moral issues did I mention eating meat?

But I don't know the answer to that moral issue so you have your "gotcha", such as it is. There you go.