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What is a proof?
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RE: What is a proof?
(March 13, 2013 at 10:19 am)ManMachine Wrote: Proof is not a concrete concept. It's fairly pointless trying to make it one.
It can

Quote:My comment about bad news is a reference to Douglas Adams. It's a little flippant, ignore it.

The problem with axioms is they are fundamentally assumptive. There is nothing wrong with this but neither should we forget it. Axiomatic reasoning can lead us badly astray if we loose sight of the original assumptions (see my point above).
Axioms are not facts, they are assumptions as you said, then the proof itself should show the conclusion using these axioms.

For example I'll say that God=G
the the proof will show that G equals or not equal to ZERO

(March 13, 2013 at 3:25 pm)apophenia Wrote:
(March 13, 2013 at 1:41 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: A proof is a chain of logical consequences from premises to a conclusion
It can be refuted by proving that a premises is false
or statement X doesn't lead to statement X+1

A statement can be disproved by a contradiction inside it

No, this is the definition of a syllogism. Proof is a much broader concept.

And I suggest you look up the name Stephen Toulmin, as absorbing and embracing his ideas would likely be helpful to you in your rhetorical goals.

I did not say it is a proof
I just said it can be refuted using Syllogism

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Messages In This Thread
What is a proof? - by Muslim Scholar - March 2, 2013 at 2:05 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Muslim Scholar - March 2, 2013 at 2:20 am
RE: What is a proof? - by justin - March 2, 2013 at 2:23 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Muslim Scholar - March 2, 2013 at 2:28 am
RE: What is a proof? - by justin - March 2, 2013 at 2:42 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Muslim Scholar - March 2, 2013 at 3:05 am
RE: What is a proof? - by justin - March 2, 2013 at 3:13 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Muslim Scholar - March 2, 2013 at 3:29 am
RE: What is a proof? - by justin - March 2, 2013 at 3:44 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Kayenneh - March 2, 2013 at 3:34 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Muslim Scholar - March 2, 2013 at 5:46 am
RE: What is a proof? - by justin - March 2, 2013 at 1:34 pm
RE: What is a proof? - by Angrboda - March 2, 2013 at 1:14 pm
RE: What is a proof? - by downbeatplumb - March 2, 2013 at 5:50 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Question Mark - March 2, 2013 at 1:35 pm
RE: What is a proof? - by paulpablo - March 2, 2013 at 5:06 pm
RE: What is a proof? - by Muslim Scholar - March 4, 2013 at 2:21 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Phish - March 2, 2013 at 5:41 pm
RE: What is a proof? - by xXUKAtheistForTheTruthXx - March 4, 2013 at 3:50 am
RE: What is a proof? - by xXUKAtheistForTheTruthXx - March 4, 2013 at 11:23 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Muslim Scholar - March 4, 2013 at 7:30 am
RE: What is a proof? - by EGross - March 4, 2013 at 7:38 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Cyberman - March 4, 2013 at 8:29 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Muslim Scholar - March 5, 2013 at 3:28 am
RE: What is a proof? - by MysticKnight - March 5, 2013 at 4:12 am
RE: What is a proof? - by EGross - March 5, 2013 at 4:21 am
RE: What is a proof? - by EGross - March 4, 2013 at 11:39 am
RE: What is a proof? - by LastPoet - March 4, 2013 at 11:43 am
RE: What is a proof? - by EGross - March 4, 2013 at 11:48 am
RE: What is a proof? - by MysticKnight - March 5, 2013 at 4:28 am
RE: What is a proof? - by downbeatplumb - March 12, 2013 at 2:55 pm
RE: What is a proof? - by EGross - March 5, 2013 at 6:38 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Muslim Scholar - March 5, 2013 at 7:42 am
RE: What is a proof? - by EGross - March 5, 2013 at 4:22 pm
RE: What is a proof? - by Muslim Scholar - March 6, 2013 at 1:53 am
RE: What is a proof? - by KichigaiNeko - March 5, 2013 at 10:18 am
RE: What is a proof? - by justin - March 5, 2013 at 10:26 am
RE: What is a proof? - by KichigaiNeko - March 5, 2013 at 10:29 am
RE: What is a proof? - by justin - March 5, 2013 at 10:35 am
RE: What is a proof? - by KichigaiNeko - March 5, 2013 at 10:50 am
RE: What is a proof? - by justin - March 5, 2013 at 11:01 am
RE: What is a proof? - by KichigaiNeko - March 5, 2013 at 11:09 am
RE: What is a proof? - by justin - March 5, 2013 at 12:26 pm
RE: What is a proof? - by KichigaiNeko - March 5, 2013 at 12:29 pm
RE: What is a proof? - by justin - March 5, 2013 at 12:53 pm
RE: What is a proof? - by jstrodel - March 5, 2013 at 6:23 pm
RE: What is a proof? - by Cyberman - March 5, 2013 at 10:55 pm
RE: What is a proof? - by jstrodel - March 5, 2013 at 11:19 pm
RE: What is a proof? - by Cyberman - March 6, 2013 at 12:24 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Angrboda - March 11, 2013 at 3:54 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Muslim Scholar - March 11, 2013 at 4:18 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Muslim Scholar - March 11, 2013 at 2:18 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Cyberman - March 11, 2013 at 2:25 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Muslim Scholar - March 11, 2013 at 3:08 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Muslim Scholar - March 12, 2013 at 1:53 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Something completely different - March 12, 2013 at 2:15 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Muslim Scholar - March 12, 2013 at 3:40 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Something completely different - March 12, 2013 at 3:50 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Muslim Scholar - March 12, 2013 at 4:21 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Something completely different - March 12, 2013 at 4:39 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Muslim Scholar - March 12, 2013 at 6:26 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Something completely different - March 12, 2013 at 6:29 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Cyberman - March 12, 2013 at 2:50 pm
RE: What is a proof? - by KichigaiNeko - March 12, 2013 at 6:17 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Something completely different - March 12, 2013 at 6:24 am
RE: What is a proof? - by KichigaiNeko - March 12, 2013 at 6:27 am
RE: What is a proof? - by KichigaiNeko - March 12, 2013 at 6:34 am
RE: What is a proof? - by ManMachine - March 12, 2013 at 9:05 pm
RE: What is a proof? - by Muslim Scholar - March 13, 2013 at 1:41 am
RE: What is a proof? - by ManMachine - March 13, 2013 at 10:19 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Muslim Scholar - March 16, 2013 at 8:11 am
RE: What is a proof? - by ManMachine - March 16, 2013 at 10:00 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Angrboda - March 16, 2013 at 1:02 pm
RE: What is a proof? - by Angrboda - March 13, 2013 at 3:25 pm
RE: What is a proof? - by jstrodel - March 16, 2013 at 2:28 pm
RE: What is a proof? - by MysticKnight - March 17, 2013 at 11:33 am
RE: What is a proof? - by Categories+Sheaves - April 5, 2013 at 7:02 am

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