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Believing in creationism is a sin
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RE: Believing in creationism is a sin
(March 21, 2013 at 6:55 pm)Godschild Wrote: Stumped I see, the argument I gave is fine, I gave reference from scriptures, then asked for your response. You had none so you made up some idea that I'm not rational. God is the standard of what is right and wrong according to scripture, apparently you're unable to understand this, making it a stumbling block for you.

Stumped? No, but if your idea of incest isn't based on what it literally is, but instead on whether god has given it his thumbs up or not... well, you aren't really arguing anything. God doesn't like murder, there's a commandment against it, but that doesn't mean that it's impossible for me to commit murder. Just because god was okay with incest at a certain point doesn't magically make it less incestuous. It just means that god was at one time okay with incest.

GC Wrote:Yes I do have an omniscient God, that is not the case for the people of the past or today. Your statement lacks an kind of understanding.

Oh, so you're saying that the god that spoke to Moses isn't the same god that christians worship today? Or that god gained his omniscience sometime after the time of Moses, potentially making the commandments less than perfect? Is that what you're saying, or is it you that has the lack of understanding here?

GC Wrote:The marriage of brothers and sister came from the time of Adam and Eve. The marriages after the flood could have been with cousins, but I would not be surprised if brothers and sisters married after the flood since God did later give a law against it.

Last time I checked, cousins were still family members. And given the gene pool of like eight people, eventually it would have happened.

GC Wrote:Since you refuse to look at my argument as something you will not consider then why are we doing this. Of coarse there in nothing in scripture about genes, there's no reason for genes to be mentioned. Adam and Eve along with the rest of creation was called very good by God, He would not have done this unless it was perfect. Perfect creation encompasses perfect genes.

That's quite a leap, though. And one you haven't supported with anything other than assumptions. And it's a moot point anyway; since you attribute the eventual breakdown of these so called perfect genes to sin, then sin must have rendered them at least a little imperfect. This is just a logical necessity, since the imperfection would have to have come from somewhere, and there would be no additional source since the only genes being propagated are from two people. Hence, at the time when Adam and Eve were being fruitful, their genes could not have been perfect in order to allow for this degradation you claim occurred to happen. Your argument is self refuting.

Oh, and you still haven't defined what would constitute perfect genes.

GC Wrote:We actually do not know how long they were in the Garden of Eden before they sinned. We could assume it was for a time from scripture, want get into that at this time. By your statement Adam and Eve were perfect for a time, so during that time their genes would be perfect. I have no idea whether or not their genes were corrupted at the time they sinned, I do know the genes of man became corrupted after sin came into the world, all of creation was corrupted.
You have not given any scriptures to back up your argument.

This would only matter if Eve had conceived while in the garden with perfect genes. Given that god sort of bestowed horrible, painful childbirth on Eve after they were cast out, and there's no mention of anyone else ever being there, it's a moot point.

Oh, and you wanna talk about not giving scriptural reference? All you gave is a weak inference to back up yours!
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Believing in creationism is a sin - by Nerd - March 13, 2013 at 8:14 pm
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by festive1 - March 13, 2013 at 8:16 pm
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Nerd - March 13, 2013 at 8:18 pm
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Drich - March 13, 2013 at 9:46 pm
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Whateverist - March 13, 2013 at 9:52 pm
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Endo - March 25, 2013 at 10:36 am
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Nerd - March 13, 2013 at 8:51 pm
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Napoléon - March 15, 2013 at 8:07 am
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Napoléon - March 16, 2013 at 1:55 pm
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by ThomM - March 16, 2013 at 6:56 pm
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by festive1 - March 13, 2013 at 8:21 pm
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Nerd - March 13, 2013 at 8:33 pm
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by festive1 - March 15, 2013 at 8:13 am
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by archangle - March 16, 2013 at 4:08 pm
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Godschild - March 16, 2013 at 8:09 pm
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Minimalist - March 13, 2013 at 9:07 pm
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Justtristo - March 13, 2013 at 9:46 pm
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Drich - March 14, 2013 at 1:26 pm
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Aractus - March 15, 2013 at 5:04 am
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by fr0d0 - March 15, 2013 at 8:18 am
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Aractus - March 16, 2013 at 8:03 am
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Brian37 - March 15, 2013 at 6:15 am
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Joel - March 15, 2013 at 8:31 am
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Napoléon - March 15, 2013 at 9:08 am
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by jstrodel - March 16, 2013 at 1:06 pm
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Esquilax - March 16, 2013 at 1:17 pm
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by jstrodel - March 16, 2013 at 1:34 pm
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Esquilax - March 16, 2013 at 1:46 pm
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Silver - March 16, 2013 at 1:37 pm
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by jstrodel - March 16, 2013 at 1:44 pm
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Napoléon - March 16, 2013 at 4:17 pm
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Cyberman - March 16, 2013 at 8:53 pm
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Godschild - March 17, 2013 at 4:02 pm
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Silver - March 17, 2013 at 4:07 pm
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Godschild - March 18, 2013 at 11:24 pm
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Esquilax - March 19, 2013 at 2:45 am
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Godschild - March 19, 2013 at 6:29 pm
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Esquilax - March 20, 2013 at 5:49 am
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Godschild - March 21, 2013 at 12:02 am
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Silver - March 21, 2013 at 12:10 am
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Godschild - March 21, 2013 at 12:20 am
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Silver - March 21, 2013 at 12:22 am
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Godschild - March 21, 2013 at 6:05 pm
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Silver - March 21, 2013 at 6:41 pm
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Esquilax - March 21, 2013 at 12:26 am
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Godschild - March 21, 2013 at 6:55 pm
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Esquilax - March 22, 2013 at 6:37 am
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Godschild - March 22, 2013 at 8:20 pm
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Aractus - March 19, 2013 at 5:45 am
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Esquilax - March 19, 2013 at 5:53 am
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Godschild - March 19, 2013 at 6:34 pm
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Aractus - March 20, 2013 at 3:30 am
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Godschild - March 21, 2013 at 12:14 am
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Silver - March 21, 2013 at 12:16 am
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Aractus - March 21, 2013 at 7:01 am
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Cyberman - March 19, 2013 at 7:29 am
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Justtristo - March 19, 2013 at 5:04 am
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Cyberman - March 17, 2013 at 8:51 pm
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by jstrodel - March 16, 2013 at 9:31 pm
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Cyberman - March 16, 2013 at 9:38 pm
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by jstrodel - March 16, 2013 at 9:47 pm
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Aractus - March 16, 2013 at 10:45 pm
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Justtristo - March 16, 2013 at 11:22 pm
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Cyberman - March 16, 2013 at 9:48 pm
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by jstrodel - March 16, 2013 at 11:31 pm
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Justtristo - March 17, 2013 at 6:34 am
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by KichigaiNeko - March 16, 2013 at 11:50 pm
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Tonus - March 17, 2013 at 9:42 am
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Esquilax - March 17, 2013 at 11:27 am
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Aractus - March 19, 2013 at 6:14 am
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Esquilax - March 19, 2013 at 6:50 am
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Joel - March 19, 2013 at 6:53 am
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by ideologue08 - March 22, 2013 at 6:48 am
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Esquilax - March 22, 2013 at 7:07 am
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by ideologue08 - March 22, 2013 at 7:16 am
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Esquilax - March 22, 2013 at 7:55 am
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Tonus - March 22, 2013 at 8:11 am
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by KichigaiNeko - March 22, 2013 at 8:12 am
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Joel - March 22, 2013 at 8:39 am
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by jstrodel - March 22, 2013 at 2:16 pm
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Whateverist - March 22, 2013 at 2:22 pm
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Nerd - March 22, 2013 at 11:28 pm
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by FragileTag - March 23, 2013 at 1:12 am
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by KichigaiNeko - March 25, 2013 at 10:37 am
RE: Believing in creationism is a sin - by Cyberman - March 25, 2013 at 2:56 pm

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