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California Proposition 8
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RE: California Proposition 8
(November 17, 2008 at 11:02 pm)Daystar Wrote: 1. Atheism is nothing more than not believing in God.

2. Theism is nothing more than believing in God.
Theism is not deism. Theism has to do with believing in CERTAIN Gods or Goddesses or whatever. Or ONE certain God or Goddess or whatever. And belief in this/these certain God/Gods or Goddess/Goddesses - Or whatever the God(s) or Goddess(es) in particular is/are - is connected to lots of other beliefs. Christianity is connected to not only 'God' but of course CHRIST and also the holy spirit. Atheism however is just lack of any belief in theism whatsoever. What beliefs pretty much automatically connect to being an atheist? Not any really. Just like being a non-astrologer doesn't connect to other beliefs particularly! Its just a disbelief in the nonsense of astrology. But being a theist DOES connect to whatever religion the theist's religion is. Or at least the holy book and/or scripture that is connected to belief in this particular God or Gods or whatever.
So to conclude: Atheism by definition is nothing more than not believing in God. Theism is believing in God but also believing in a particular God that carry certain beliefs. Whether this is belief in the beliefs of the religion connected to that theism. Or connected to the scripture connected to that speciific theism. Or both. Or whatever.
Deism is nothing more than belief in God but the God still has to be supernatural so it at least also implies the belief that God had some part in the creation of the universe, created the laws of physics or whatever. But God is not a personal God in the deist's case.
If Deism and Theism didn't carry ANYTHING other than the belief in 'a God or gods of some kind' meaning that it didn't have to be supernatural but could also be metaphorical then fine. But it doesn't mean this. Deism means a God that created the universe but isn't a personal God. Theism means a God that not only created the universe but IS indeed also a personal God. I think pantheism perhaps covers the so called 'Einsteinian' or metaphorical God. That is not supernatural whatsoever.
The belief in the supernatural God of the theist, that is also a personal God, implies lots of other stuff. Its not simply 'believing in God'. Because there are many different interpretations of God. Even deism isn't 'nothing more than just believing in God' because it still implies the supernatural.
Theism and even deism both imply a supernatural God and more than just 'believing in God'.
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California Proposition 8 - by Meatball - November 14, 2008 at 11:55 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by leo-rcc - November 15, 2008 at 6:39 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by infidel666 - November 15, 2008 at 11:39 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Eilonnwy - November 17, 2008 at 2:05 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Daystar - November 17, 2008 at 4:56 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Dotard - December 15, 2008 at 11:04 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by CoxRox - December 15, 2008 at 11:38 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Jason Jarred - November 17, 2008 at 8:19 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Edwardo Piet - November 17, 2008 at 9:13 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Daystar - November 17, 2008 at 11:02 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Jason Jarred - November 17, 2008 at 11:27 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Daystar - November 17, 2008 at 11:37 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Jason Jarred - November 18, 2008 at 1:13 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Edwardo Piet - November 19, 2008 at 11:07 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by infidel666 - November 18, 2008 at 1:42 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Daystar - November 18, 2008 at 11:00 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by chatpilot - November 18, 2008 at 11:30 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by leo-rcc - November 18, 2008 at 11:46 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by chatpilot - November 19, 2008 at 10:44 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Daystar - November 19, 2008 at 1:50 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Edwardo Piet - November 19, 2008 at 2:40 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Jason Jarred - November 19, 2008 at 6:49 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Daystar - November 19, 2008 at 10:58 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by allan175 - November 20, 2008 at 5:03 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by infidel666 - November 20, 2008 at 10:19 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Daystar - November 20, 2008 at 2:16 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Tiberius - November 18, 2008 at 1:24 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Daystar - November 18, 2008 at 1:55 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by allan175 - November 19, 2008 at 5:18 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by infidel666 - November 19, 2008 at 1:12 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Jason Jarred - November 19, 2008 at 3:09 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Daystar - November 19, 2008 at 10:05 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by allan175 - November 19, 2008 at 11:22 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by leo-rcc - November 20, 2008 at 3:03 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by infidel666 - November 20, 2008 at 4:17 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by leo-rcc - November 20, 2008 at 4:53 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Tiberius - November 20, 2008 at 7:47 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Daystar - November 20, 2008 at 7:53 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by infidel666 - November 20, 2008 at 10:31 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Daystar - November 20, 2008 at 11:19 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by infidel666 - November 21, 2008 at 12:44 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Daystar - November 21, 2008 at 2:57 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by infidel666 - November 21, 2008 at 11:16 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by chatpilot - November 21, 2008 at 1:12 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by chatpilot - November 22, 2008 at 12:44 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by CoxRox - November 22, 2008 at 5:29 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by chatpilot - November 22, 2008 at 5:43 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by CoxRox - November 22, 2008 at 6:03 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by lukec - December 3, 2008 at 5:09 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Edwardo Piet - December 3, 2008 at 5:27 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by chatpilot - December 15, 2008 at 10:06 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by CoxRox - December 16, 2008 at 1:58 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by chatpilot - December 16, 2008 at 5:27 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by leo-rcc - December 16, 2008 at 5:44 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by CoxRox - December 16, 2008 at 5:59 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by leo-rcc - December 16, 2008 at 6:28 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Dotard - December 17, 2008 at 11:38 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Edwardo Piet - December 17, 2008 at 11:52 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by chatpilot - December 17, 2008 at 1:07 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Edwardo Piet - December 17, 2008 at 1:09 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by chatpilot - December 17, 2008 at 1:14 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by CoxRox - December 17, 2008 at 1:14 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Edwardo Piet - December 17, 2008 at 1:20 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by leo-rcc - December 17, 2008 at 2:02 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Edwardo Piet - December 17, 2008 at 2:08 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by leo-rcc - December 17, 2008 at 2:16 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Edwardo Piet - December 17, 2008 at 8:38 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Jason Jarred - December 17, 2008 at 7:25 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Dotard - December 18, 2008 at 12:01 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Edwardo Piet - December 18, 2008 at 12:09 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Dotard - December 18, 2008 at 11:16 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Edwardo Piet - December 18, 2008 at 12:33 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Dotard - December 18, 2008 at 10:54 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Edwardo Piet - December 18, 2008 at 11:00 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Dotard - December 19, 2008 at 7:41 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Edwardo Piet - December 20, 2008 at 1:22 am
RE: California Proposition 8 - by Meatball - December 20, 2008 at 5:49 pm
RE: California Proposition 8 - by leo-rcc - December 23, 2008 at 11:39 am

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