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Born this way, baby
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RE: Born this way, baby
(March 24, 2013 at 11:04 am)CleanShavenJesus Wrote:
(March 24, 2013 at 10:00 am)John V Wrote: 1. Define gay.

2. Support that you were born gay.

3. Explain what being born that way has to do with anything.

I know that Infidel wants this debate, but you're seriously asking question 3?
Yes, seriously asking it.

(March 24, 2013 at 3:40 pm)Mr Infidel Wrote: A homosexual.
Which begs the question, what is a homosexual? A person who only has attraction to the same sex? A person who predominantly has attraction, but has some attraction to the opposite? If so, what's the cutoff between gay and bi?
Quote:Like most adolescents, I did not wake up one day during the onset of puberty with the arduous decision of having to choose between being sexually attracted toward men or women. Like most individuals, I understood the accepted standard was for boys to like girls and vice versa, but even as late as the age of fourteen and fifteen I did not feel any sexual desire for either gender. I was a late bloomer. When my hormones finally began to change my body, I almost immediately knew that I was different than other guys. I distinctly remember the very first time I had a sexual thought. I was walking from one class to the next, and I was staring at the ass of someone in front of me. It was a great ass, it excited me sexually, and it belonged to a guy. I have never experienced any sexual attraction toward women whatsoever.
Let me clarify - by support I meant scientific studies and such, not your personal testimony. Personal testimony generally isn't accepted as support around here.
Quote:It is in reference toward those who believe being gay is a choice. Obviously, I was never faced with a choice of whom to be sexually attracted to. Most everyone can attest to the same thing, whether they are gay or straight.
Let me clarify - what practical considerations are implied by being born with a certain predisposition?

Suppose someone gives a testimony similar to yours claiming that they were born with a violent hatred of homosexuals? You'd likely say that being born that way was irrelevant, and he should be expected to suppress the predisposition and conform to societal norms on violent behavior.
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Born this way, baby - by Silver - March 24, 2013 at 2:42 am
RE: Born this way, baby - by catfish - March 24, 2013 at 7:34 am
RE: Born this way, baby - by downbeatplumb - March 24, 2013 at 7:42 am
RE: Born this way, baby - by KichigaiNeko - March 24, 2013 at 8:52 am
RE: Born this way, baby - by Kayenneh - March 24, 2013 at 8:58 am
RE: Born this way, baby - by thesummerqueen - March 24, 2013 at 9:38 am
RE: Born this way, baby - by TaraJo - March 24, 2013 at 9:46 am
RE: Born this way, baby - by John V - March 24, 2013 at 10:00 am
RE: Born this way, baby - by CleanShavenJesus - March 24, 2013 at 11:04 am
RE: Born this way, baby - by John V - March 25, 2013 at 12:08 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by Silver - March 25, 2013 at 12:44 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by John V - March 25, 2013 at 12:53 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by Silver - March 25, 2013 at 1:01 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by John V - March 25, 2013 at 1:05 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by Esquilax - March 25, 2013 at 1:10 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by John V - March 25, 2013 at 1:18 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by Silver - March 25, 2013 at 1:24 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by Esquilax - March 25, 2013 at 1:00 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by Silver - March 24, 2013 at 3:40 pm
Re: Born this way, baby - by NoraBrimstone - March 24, 2013 at 11:02 am
RE: Born this way, baby - by Ryantology - March 24, 2013 at 11:21 am
Re: RE: Born this way, baby - by frz - March 24, 2013 at 11:28 am
RE: Born this way, baby - by TaraJo - March 24, 2013 at 11:52 am
RE: Born this way, baby - by Silver - March 24, 2013 at 4:20 pm
Re: Born this way, baby - by frz - March 24, 2013 at 12:38 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by TaraJo - March 24, 2013 at 12:51 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by Psykhronic - March 24, 2013 at 12:42 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by Ryantology - March 24, 2013 at 12:43 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by thesummerqueen - March 24, 2013 at 12:44 pm
Re: RE: Born this way, baby - by frz - March 24, 2013 at 1:02 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by DeistPaladin - March 24, 2013 at 2:09 pm
Re: Born this way, baby - by NoraBrimstone - March 24, 2013 at 4:11 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by catfish - March 24, 2013 at 4:44 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by Silver - March 24, 2013 at 5:04 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by catfish - March 24, 2013 at 5:10 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by LastPoet - March 24, 2013 at 4:47 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by catfish - March 24, 2013 at 4:51 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by Tonus - March 24, 2013 at 4:59 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by TaraJo - March 25, 2013 at 10:57 am
RE: Born this way, baby - by catfish - March 25, 2013 at 11:11 am
RE: Born this way, baby - by LastPoet - March 24, 2013 at 4:58 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by My imaginary friend is GOD - March 24, 2013 at 5:09 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by Silver - March 24, 2013 at 5:11 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by catfish - March 24, 2013 at 5:16 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by KichigaiNeko - March 25, 2013 at 10:43 am
RE: Born this way, baby - by LastPoet - March 24, 2013 at 5:23 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by catfish - March 24, 2013 at 5:29 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by KichigaiNeko - March 25, 2013 at 11:43 am
RE: Born this way, baby - by DeistPaladin - March 25, 2013 at 12:23 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by TromboneAtheist - March 25, 2013 at 12:49 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by thesummerqueen - March 25, 2013 at 1:21 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by TaraJo - March 25, 2013 at 3:25 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by Esquilax - March 25, 2013 at 3:29 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by catfish - March 25, 2013 at 3:42 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by Esquilax - March 25, 2013 at 3:46 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by catfish - March 25, 2013 at 3:52 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by Esquilax - March 25, 2013 at 3:57 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by TaraJo - March 25, 2013 at 4:06 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by catfish - March 25, 2013 at 4:07 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by TaraJo - March 25, 2013 at 4:18 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by catfish - March 25, 2013 at 4:21 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by TaraJo - March 25, 2013 at 4:27 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by thesummerqueen - March 25, 2013 at 3:42 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by thesummerqueen - March 25, 2013 at 4:08 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by catfish - March 25, 2013 at 4:32 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by TaraJo - March 25, 2013 at 4:36 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by catfish - March 25, 2013 at 4:38 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by TaraJo - March 25, 2013 at 4:40 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by catfish - March 25, 2013 at 4:46 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by TaraJo - March 25, 2013 at 4:56 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by catfish - March 25, 2013 at 5:01 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by Silver - March 25, 2013 at 5:04 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by Esquilax - March 25, 2013 at 5:25 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by catfish - March 25, 2013 at 5:44 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by TaraJo - March 25, 2013 at 5:53 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by catfish - March 25, 2013 at 6:22 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by TaraJo - March 25, 2013 at 6:34 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by Kayenneh - March 25, 2013 at 5:07 pm
Re: Born this way, baby - by NoraBrimstone - March 25, 2013 at 6:18 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by dudeofawesome - March 25, 2013 at 6:27 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by catfish - March 25, 2013 at 6:53 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by TaraJo - March 25, 2013 at 7:00 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by catfish - March 25, 2013 at 7:13 pm
Re: Born this way, baby - by NoraBrimstone - March 25, 2013 at 8:31 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by thesummerqueen - March 25, 2013 at 8:36 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by TaraJo - March 25, 2013 at 8:50 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by catfish - March 25, 2013 at 8:55 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by thesummerqueen - March 25, 2013 at 9:00 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by catfish - March 25, 2013 at 9:04 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by thesummerqueen - March 25, 2013 at 9:10 pm
Re: RE: Born this way, baby - by NoraBrimstone - March 25, 2013 at 9:39 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by catfish - March 25, 2013 at 9:46 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by Silver - March 25, 2013 at 11:17 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by catfish - March 26, 2013 at 10:01 am
RE: Born this way, baby - by Esquilax - March 26, 2013 at 10:11 am
RE: Born this way, baby - by Cato - March 26, 2013 at 10:07 am
RE: Born this way, baby - by thesummerqueen - March 26, 2013 at 10:12 am
RE: Born this way, baby - by catfish - March 26, 2013 at 10:15 am
RE: Born this way, baby - by LastPoet - March 26, 2013 at 11:00 am
RE: Born this way, baby - by Esquilax - March 26, 2013 at 10:17 am
RE: Born this way, baby - by Tonus - March 26, 2013 at 10:19 am
RE: Born this way, baby - by Psykhronic - March 26, 2013 at 11:06 am
RE: Born this way, baby - by catfish - March 26, 2013 at 12:39 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by Silver - March 26, 2013 at 12:45 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by catfish - March 26, 2013 at 12:57 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by Silver - March 26, 2013 at 1:01 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by catfish - March 26, 2013 at 1:04 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by Silver - March 26, 2013 at 1:07 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by catfish - March 26, 2013 at 1:15 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by Silver - March 26, 2013 at 1:18 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by catfish - March 26, 2013 at 1:56 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by Cato - March 26, 2013 at 2:08 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by catfish - March 26, 2013 at 2:41 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by CleanShavenJesus - March 26, 2013 at 2:23 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by Esquilax - March 26, 2013 at 2:45 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by DeistPaladin - March 26, 2013 at 2:10 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by catfish - March 26, 2013 at 2:15 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by downbeatplumb - March 26, 2013 at 2:19 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by catfish - March 26, 2013 at 2:22 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by Whateverist - March 26, 2013 at 2:40 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by thesummerqueen - March 26, 2013 at 2:49 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by Esquilax - March 26, 2013 at 2:55 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by catfish - March 26, 2013 at 2:57 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by Silver - March 26, 2013 at 3:01 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by catfish - March 26, 2013 at 3:04 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by Silver - March 26, 2013 at 3:07 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by catfish - March 26, 2013 at 3:11 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by Silver - March 26, 2013 at 3:33 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by Esquilax - March 26, 2013 at 3:05 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by thesummerqueen - March 26, 2013 at 2:59 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by Tonus - March 26, 2013 at 3:03 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by Whateverist - March 26, 2013 at 3:39 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by thesummerqueen - March 26, 2013 at 3:16 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by catfish - March 26, 2013 at 3:39 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by Silver - March 26, 2013 at 3:43 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by DeistPaladin - March 26, 2013 at 3:58 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by catfish - March 26, 2013 at 3:59 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by Silver - March 26, 2013 at 4:07 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by catfish - March 26, 2013 at 4:10 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by thesummerqueen - March 26, 2013 at 3:57 pm
Re: Born this way, baby - by NoraBrimstone - March 26, 2013 at 4:07 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by My imaginary friend is GOD - March 26, 2013 at 4:08 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by Silver - March 26, 2013 at 4:11 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by My imaginary friend is GOD - March 26, 2013 at 4:14 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by catfish - March 26, 2013 at 4:24 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by My imaginary friend is GOD - March 26, 2013 at 5:05 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by catfish - March 26, 2013 at 5:15 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by Silver - March 26, 2013 at 5:20 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by My imaginary friend is GOD - March 26, 2013 at 5:22 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by Silver - March 26, 2013 at 5:24 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by My imaginary friend is GOD - March 26, 2013 at 5:26 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by Silver - March 26, 2013 at 5:30 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by My imaginary friend is GOD - March 26, 2013 at 5:34 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by catfish - March 26, 2013 at 5:45 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by catfish - March 26, 2013 at 5:37 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by Silver - March 26, 2013 at 5:44 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by catfish - March 26, 2013 at 5:55 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by John V - March 29, 2013 at 1:29 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by catfish - March 26, 2013 at 4:18 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by thesummerqueen - March 26, 2013 at 4:14 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by thesummerqueen - March 26, 2013 at 4:23 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by thesummerqueen - March 26, 2013 at 4:27 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by My imaginary friend is GOD - March 26, 2013 at 4:32 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by catfish - March 26, 2013 at 4:42 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by catfish - March 26, 2013 at 4:39 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by DeistPaladin - March 26, 2013 at 5:46 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by thesummerqueen - March 26, 2013 at 4:41 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by thesummerqueen - March 26, 2013 at 4:49 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by catfish - March 26, 2013 at 5:02 pm
RE: Born this way, baby - by thesummerqueen - March 27, 2013 at 8:19 am

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