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If someone says to me "consciousness, therefore god", what's the best way to respond?
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If someone says to me "consciousness, therefore god", what's the best way to respond?
February 8, 2016 at 6:53 pm (This post was last modified: February 8, 2016 at 6:58 pm by ReptilianPeon.)

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February 8, 2016 at 6:58 pm (This post was last modified: February 8, 2016 at 7:00 pm by ApeNotKillApe.)
Repeatedly slam them into a tree while screaming 'yeah yeah that's the ticket.'
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February 8, 2016 at 7:24 pm (This post was last modified: February 8, 2016 at 7:26 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Depending on the specific form it could be a cosmological, teleological, or anthropic argument. That it contains an internal argument from ignorance is par for the course from the godly camp.
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February 8, 2016 at 8:38 pm
Quote:If someone says to me "consciousness, therefore god", what's the best way to respond?

Beat them unconscious and then tell them God doesn't exist. Well, you know - pin a note to their shirt or sommat.

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RE: If someone says to me "consciousness, therefore god", what's the best way to respond?
February 8, 2016 at 8:39 pm
Oh fuck sake, everyone's already in with the 'kick them in the face' jokes.
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February 8, 2016 at 8:46 pm
(February 8, 2016 at 8:39 pm)Napoléon Wrote: Oh fuck sake, everyone's already in with the 'kick them in the face' jokes.

Dunno about anyone else, but I wasn't joking.

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February 9, 2016 at 2:47 am (This post was last modified: February 9, 2016 at 2:49 am by robvalue.)
"God" isn't an explanation. It's a total abandonment of any kind of rational, critical investigation. And as has been said, it's always an argument from ignorance.

"Stuff is really complicated therefor God" is not even an argument. These people should replace it with, "Stuff is really complicated so I should go learn more about it, so I can reach a more informed conclusion". I'd say invite him to go study it in more detail. If he doesn't want to, that just shows he's more interested in his conclusion than the facts.

Logical arguments are never evidence, even when they're not shot through with logical fallacies.
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RE: If someone says to me "consciousness, therefore god", what's the best way to respond?
February 9, 2016 at 7:09 am
Well Hamza is adamant "consciousness therefore god" is not "god of the gaps". In fact, he arrogantly asserts that "god of the gaps" is "an outdated Atheist clichè", as he puts it. It really worries me that people time him seriously enough to the point of worshipping him.

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RE: If someone says to me "consciousness, therefore god", what's the best way to respond?
February 9, 2016 at 7:15 am
"Why?"
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition

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February 9, 2016 at 7:27 am
(February 9, 2016 at 7:09 am)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote: Well Hamza is adamant "consciousness therefore god" is not "god of the gaps". In fact, he arrogantly asserts that "god of the gaps" is "an outdated Atheist clichè", as he puts it. It really worries me that people time him seriously enough to the point of worshipping him.

But why is it an outdated cliché? Because he doesn't like it? Also which god does consciousness support? Consciousness therefore Vishnu? What if you tell him Hinduism is more likely then Islam? That be a fun reaction to see.
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