The concept of Hell discourages belief

[The Reality Salesman01]

Why do you add rape and murder to the list? Is that the disqualifying criteria or is it simply the guest that doesn't want to stay?

As god you show know that many Christians have been raped and murdered by non believers. That is why I asked, should those people be allowed to torment their victims for eternity? Is it right that those who suffered at the hands of unrighteous men in this life, have to contend with them for eternity as well, just because fence sitters like yourself are afraid to fully commit themselves?

I can answer your question in a few ways. It's a loaded question and really doesn't clarify your position very much but here's my take on your thought experiment:

Yes, I would let them leave. But, if they wanted to come back, they could come right on in and sit at the table and help me eat dinner. I wouldn't subject them to torture upon exiting my house.

Then I have a prision ministry you might be interested in serving in. I first heard about it from an employee who was living in a half way house and was on a work release with me. Basically what it is, is an attempt to reintergreat people who have served the majority their time, back into the community. Crimes range from Sexual assualt with a minor under the age of 16 to rehabilitated addicts, to petty crimes like B&E. So basically you can work with the program two ways. You can employ one of these guys (We had a former sex offender/of a minor under 16) or you can open your home to them and provide them a place to stay. (This is what our guy was doing with a family who appearently rented out all of their rooms, living room and garage space.) Everything was good for a while, But he did say that one of the other guys got a little violent with the lady of the house and roughed her up some, and threatened to kill everyone else in the house, so our guy had to move back to prison for a while (where he was tormented by the other inmates for being convicted of being a child molester for a few months while he was still with us) Until he found another 1/2 house and job 90 miles away in other city.. If it sounds like something you would like to do (Put your money where your mouth is) then I can and will definatly help you set things up. As I am sure they have this program in your city as well.

As far as what you get, you get a tax break for helping these guys and a small stipen to cover the living expences (if you have one of the guys move in.) or If you employ one, you just get the tax break, and the satasifiaction of helping someone in need out.. The only problem with that is you never know who really is looking to make a change and who is looking to work the system till an oppertunity comes along that allows the dead to take/consume what they want.

Secondly if they were rapist-murderers persucuting my family, I wouldn't be too sure who let them in the house in the first place, but yes, I would want them out of my sight. If I was a powerful God, i'd fix them, and then let them in.

Then where does He draw the line? For us Rape and murder seem to be the button that gets pushed or the line that is crossed. What if His line is as simple as gossip? Should He fix all of us, because all have sinned against Him?

Can God not do this?

Why should he? He, like us, only wants to be around people who truly want to love and be around Him. Or do you seek the company of those who look to use you and want to be your friend so long as you can provide them with what they want from you?

Or does he just not care to because his feelings were hurt by the rapers he created? Sounds to me like those rapists he made probably went through enough shit playing the hand God dealt them in life, and the least He could do is fix them!

To tell you the truth He would if they'd only ask. The only condition that can not or rather will not be 'fixed' is the one that has an indivisual not want to be 'fix/forgiven' in the first place.

So far, these little thought experiments you've come up with aren't painting a very good picture of your God.

The Picture paints itself. whether you like what is painted or not, is on you. My only job is to sit you before that picture.

Where's the Jesus Juice? Of course, when you fail to argue logically and it seems that non-believer's arguments are too strong, you are taught that is just the devil trying to decieve you.

If you think your 'non-believer arguements' are too strong you suffer from PE. give it time my way ward sailor, and be patient. don't claim a victory till I openly conceed.

You should fight through it, and if you come up with enough fallacies, perhaps we will forget about things needing to make sense, and we will be convinced.

Something to think about.. If your understanding of God doesn't make sense.. Then Maybe, just maybe do you think it possiable you do not understand God? Or rather even understand the side of God that has been revealed in Scripture? Why would you assume that you have a solid understanding of what/who God even is as an Atheist anyway??

Why does your God insist on illogical methods channelled through strangers as his only means of reaching out the ones he so desperately wants to be saved? Why not connect with us on the level we were supposedly designed to be connected through?

If God's presents was known to you whether you would have believed in Him or not, what chloice would you have in the matter? Because if you knew God to be real then it would stand to reason Hell would also be real, there by making you seek redemption as a matter of self preservation, and not an expression of Love for God. As it is, without direct knoweledge of God (Unless we ASk Seek and Knock for it) we are allowed to blind ourselves any way we want and live our life according to our hearts desire, thus ensuring that only those who seek to know God are the only ones who do, for the reasons He wanted us to have in our hearts.

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I see we have a new element: your mind is quicly destroyed by your torment (quite believable), so what's being tortured for eternity isn't recognizably you, making torturing it even more pointless. Why not just extinguish the pathetic ball of suffering? What point is served by keeping it suffering? I wouldn't leave a rabid dog like that.

Again I do not know that doesn't happen. the only reason I left that open ended is just incase the bible says Hell and the people in it will suffer eternally, without actually saying it. (It gives those who believe in eternal Hell their whatever and still allows for what I experienced.)

I address why all of what you have just typed doesn't make sense in the thread "A question to God" It shows the petty characteristics you continue to justify with questions and failed thought experiments for me.

Secondly, there's a guy on here that says he's God. He is just as possible as the God you describe only he doesn't sound like as big a dick. Why should I believe you and not in Him?