RE: 3 reasons for Christians to start questionng their faith
March 27, 2013 at 11:07 am
(This post was last modified: March 27, 2013 at 11:10 am by Drich.)
OOh good I was in the mood for some "Smax" talk this morning.
Oh, and we do not need reasons to question our faith. We have a command to do so in 1Thess 5:21 "Question all things and hold on to what is good." This does not mean just question the questionable, but also question the foundational.
(March 27, 2013 at 7:19 am)smax Wrote: As someone who spent over 25 years practicing the Christian faith, and who has since found greater liberty and personal fulfillment outside of that practice, I would like to encourage all Christians to consider some of the more compelling reasons to question your faith. Here are a few:Ah, no. God provides proof for all who simply Ask, Seek and Knock as out lined in Luke 11. If C.Hitch, you or anyone else did not get the proof Moses or Paul got it is because none of you A/S/K as described in luke 11.
#1. Lack of Validity.
Christianity fails to substantiate even the most basic of it’s claims, such as the life, death, and resurrection of Christ. But even more compelling is the fact that the story of Jesus is part of a collection of books filled with scientific impossibilities, contradictions, and bogus history.
Christopher Hitchens once said, “The bible makes magnificent claims, we should require magnificent proof.”
Now, of course, Christians will counter that by saying, “God must leave plenty of room for faith”.
Quote:#2. Immorality.Here I must point out morality is not the absolute standard you believe it to be. Morality is man's standard, not God's. God's standard is absolute righteousness, which by it's nature will be different from man's ideas of morality. For man knew from the exit of the Garden he could not maintain God's standard, so he made his own personal version of righteousness so it may serve us and our own wants and what we think should be right. The pharisees took this 'morality' to the extreme and 'canoized' their morality into jewish law, but even so Christ rightly identified this 'morality' for what it was. A righteousness grounded in one's self. Or "Self Righteousness." So again, your 'morality' or Self righteousness will dictate that God's righteousness is lacking and must be deemed 'immoral' if you take allow it to come to it's logical conclusion. Which is why the Pharisees had Christ killed. (Because they literally found Him to be Immoral.)
Dr. William Lane Craig, a well known Christian apologist, loves, in his defense of theism, to claim that, without god, there is no objective morality. I happen to disagree with that, and I’ll expand here:
If, by “Objective Morality”, it is the Christian position that morality has a permanently fixed set of unalterable standards, then it my position that such a thing does not exist with or without god.
However, if “Objective Morality” is merely meant to point to the pursuit of accomplishing a logical and beneficial objective, then I would argue that the only sensible standard of morality is that of the preservation, success, and further evolution of human kind. Within that frame work, human decency, the betterment and quality of human life, and environmental, political, and social issues have the very best chance of being effectively resolved and productively furthered.
In contrast, Christianity offers no practical solution for the survival and success of man kind, and instead trivializes human life while promoting completely unstubstantiated claims of an eternal spiritual existence beyond the grave.
Luke 17:33
Whoever tries to keep their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life will preserve it.
And this same lack of regard for human life and human decency is repeated and illustrated all throughout the Bible.
With that in mind, is it any wonder why Christians throughout history have committed so many terrible atrocities? Once you strip a human being of his regard for human life (especially his own) with promises of eternal and spiritual prosperity, you create a potentially homicidal maniac that will do anything in the name of god.
Quote:#3. Heaven’s Hell.Which is the very reason we have been put here on this earth. To make that desision. Is Heaven worthy more over is the idea of staying with God in Heaven for eternity what we want to do?
Even If you can look past the counter-productive moral implications, and the lack of any compelling evidence to support the claims of Christianity, you still have to face the terrible reality of what it claims will be the ultimate outcome of it's followers. Observe:
Revalation 5:13
Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, singing: "To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!"
Revalation 22:4-5:
No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him. They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads.
Matthew 22:30
At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.
The eternal life that a Christian is working toward and hoping for, according to scripture, is one of constant praise, worship, and slavery (Rom 6:22) of an extremely boring and self-centered egomaniac that intends to strip his servants of any kind of meaningful free will or independent interest.
I’m not sure which is the more wishful thinking: that the heaven of the bible exists at all, or that it's actually a place worth going to.
Oh, and we do not need reasons to question our faith. We have a command to do so in 1Thess 5:21 "Question all things and hold on to what is good." This does not mean just question the questionable, but also question the foundational.